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Thanks you so much for your help, especially Susan.

I think that is her in Kambala Road as the same 4/5 streets all around there keep cropping up on various certificates that I have

Linda

Hi Linda

That is what I have been looking for ...hoping to find where she was in 1911 by searching electoral rolls but she is not showing for 1911

Sorry I meant husband ALFRED died in 1895.

I have the marriage of John Carroll and Mary Butler (her parents) 28 April 1848 in Southwark, London

Children were,

William 1848 St. Saviour...Thomas 1850 St. Saviour...Elizabeth 1851 St. Saviour...Mary Ann ????...John 1853 Lambeth...Margaret 1858 Lambeth...Jeremiah 1862 Lambeth.

So as you can see it leaves a very small window for Mary Ann to have born in. Perhaps she was never registered although it would seem very strange as all the children either side of her were.

Still can't find her on 1911 though???

Linda

4 Kambala RD

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1847-1965
about Mary Langham Name: Mary Langham
Electoral Year: 1906
Parliamentary Division: Battersea
County or Borough: Wandsworth
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4 Kambala Rd

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1847-1965
about Mary Langham Name: Mary Langham
Electoral Year: 1907
Parliamentary Division: Battersea
County or Borough: Wandsworth

I think this is her .

6 Kambala Rd

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1847-1965
about Mary Ann Langham Name: Mary Ann Langham
Electoral Year: 1908
Parliamentary Division: Battersea
County or Borough: Wandsworth

Sorry Linda Ancestry had that well hidden.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about John Carroll Name: John Carroll
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1848
Registration district: St George Southwark
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 4
Page Number: 491
Mary Butler

Linda

Your first post say

" On 1901 living at 29 Savona Street Battersea, with children, including my Grandad. Husband George died in 1895 "

Is Alfred the husband of Mary Ann or George

I have looked for a marriage for John Carrroll to a Mary Butler but nothing is coming up for that couple ,only one in 1927 and that is to late .

Sue

Have you considered that she was registered under her mother's maiden name?

Births Sep 1854 (>99%)
Butler Mary Ann Lambeth 1d 306

Do you have a marriage for John Carroll to Mary Butler?

Sorry,

Typo error,

Yes tried that one

Linda

I suspect you typed 1853 instead of 1854 in error, but just in case, have you tried this one?

Mary Ann Carroll - Lambeth - Jul-Sep 1854 Vol.1d page 342

Hi,

I have three birth certificates for Mary Ann Carrolls

1853 Lambeth Mary Ann Carroll Father Michael Mother Catherine Dooley

1853 Lambeth Mary Ann Carroll Father Henry Mother Mary Daney

in desparation ........

1854 Kensington, Mary Ann Carrol Father James Mother Margaret Lee

I have the certificate of her brother Thomas Carrolll born St. Saviour, Surrey,
Father John Mother Mary Butler

Hope this helps anyone who can have another look for me. All your help is most appreciated

Linda

Mary Ann Langham shows up in 1918 and 1919 at 24 Stewarts Lane on the London Electors List but she isn't anywhere on the list from 1909 till then.

Marriage also states that both father's were deceased:-

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Alfred Langham
Name: Alfred Langham
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Carroll
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 15 Feb 1879
Parish: Walworth St John the Evangelist
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: William Langham
Occupation: Deceased
Spouse Father Name: John Carroll
Occupation: Deceased
Register Type: Parish Register

.................What exactly does the1853 birth cert. for Mary Ann say?

Father's name?
Mother's name and maiden name?
Father's occupation?
What address was given?

This looks like you grandad Charles in 1911..

1911 England Census
about Charles Langham Name: Charles Langham
Age in 1911: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Battersea
Civil parish: Lambeth
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 2 Allington Street, Brixton Hill
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: GREEN GROCER
Registration district: Lambeth
Registration District Number: 25
Sub-registration district: Norwood
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Piece: 2105
Household Members: Name Age
George Blewitt 60
Sarah Blewitt 59
Annie Blewitt 27
Rose Blewitt 19
Charles Hiett 40
Charles Langham 21 <<<<
William Blewitt 33
Emily Blewitt 30
Ellen Blewitt 13
William Blewitt 7
John Blewitt 5

On the marriage for Alfred Langham and Mary Ann Carroll - 1879

She gives her father's name as John Carroll and the witnesses are Margaret Carroll and another Carroll (either James or Thomas I'm not sure)

So this fits in well with the family that Catherine found on the 1861 census.

What makes you think the birth certificate is wrong? Does it give a different father's name?

Sorry was having a shower. Yes all the above is correct. I have her on all census's except 1911

The only thing incorrect is although the birth certificate date is correct I sent for that and it's not the right one.....and yes that is the correct marriage.

Thanks for all the input. I have to go out now so please don't think I am ignoring you all (off visiit Mary Ann's Grandson aged 90, Unce Charlie) Will be back later.

Linda

Linda,
.....................could you say if you think any of this is relevant?

1891 shows a Thomas Carroll, who could very well be a sibling, in which case is this her and her family in 1861?

1861 England Census about Mary Carroll
Name: Mary Carroll
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Carroll
Mother's name: Mary Carroll
Gender: Female
Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Lambeth St Mary
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address:

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Lambeth Church First
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 41
Piece: 352
Folio: 182
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
John Carroll 38
Mary Carroll 35
William Carroll 12
xxxx Thomas Carroll 11
Elizabeth Carroll 10
xxxx Mary Carroll 9
John Carroll 7
Margaret Carroll 3
Jeremiah Carroll 5 Months

..........in which case the 1853, Lambeth birth looks to be the correct one.

If you have her siblings births, then who were her parents?

could it be this one?

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Mary Ann Carroll
Name: Mary Ann Carroll
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1854
Baptism Date: 29 Oct 1854
Father's Name: Henry Carroll
Mother's name: Mary Carroll
Parish or Poor Law Union: Camberwell St Giles
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

................or this one?

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Mary Anne Carroll
Name: Mary Anne Carroll
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1854
Baptism Date: 13 Oct 1854
Father's Name: Thomas Carroll
Mother's name: Mary Carroll
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Marylebone All Saints
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Parish Registers

????

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Mary Ann Carroll
Name: Mary Ann Carroll
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1853
Registration district: Lambeth
Inferred County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 276