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Oops!! Ann's marriage is incorrect if the info on FamilySearch.org is correct.She was not born in 1960 nor was her Father Samuel. She was a widow and her Father was Richard Edwards.

Yes I agree Sylvia, but people do go missing on censuses.
Ann has found a possible marriage for her in 1880, so I will go off and look for them on that census. She is probably too old at 46 to have any children with him but she may have had with James before he died --she was only 27 when she married.
The first family are aged between 31 and 24 so most would have left home before the 1871 census. Although Isaac is 21 and Samuel 19 I know they don't marry until 1880's and 1874 and that was after they moved to Gareshead C.Durham.
I am quite amazed at where this thead has taken me .Thanks again.

The children MUST be somewhere on the 1871!

That was why I asked if you had found any of them


if she could have married again, especially before 1871 ...... the younger ones might be showing under Annie's new name.

Thanks Ann,
Although the death age is a bit out I shall look into it further. He claimed to be 42 on his second wedding in 1861Making his birth 1819, I had him as being born in 1813, so more work is needed. Interesting to see her marrying again. I shall investigate further.
Thanks for all your interest.

This death looks likely and will explain why he cannot be found in 1881

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about James Armstrong
Name: James Armstrong
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1875
Age at Death: 54
Registration district: Wellington
Inferred County: Shropshire
Volume: 6a

Possible marriage for Ann?
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Ann Armstrong
Name: Ann Armstrong
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1880
Registration district: Wellington Sal
Inferred County: Shropshire
Volume Number: 6a

SPOUSE: EDWARD CASEWELL

Anne

Thanks Anne,Sylvia and Prickly Holly.
No I haven't found any of the family in 1871 .I would have expected the younger ones to be still with their father as Samuel doesn't marry until 1874.
Isaac the 2nd youngest brother goes to live with him in Gateshead. Co. Durham. and is there on the 1881 census.
All the children on the 1861 are from the first marriage .The Mother Hannah died in 1860.
If James had died before 1871 and Ann remarried then I wouldn't have a clue where to look, except she comes from Pride Hill Shropshire James married Ann in 1861 January 22nd in Shrewsbury Parish church of St. Mary's. She is defintiely 27 years old in 1871. He is listed as coming from( presumably working in) Wellington.
If you can't find a James and Ann on the 1871 census then I think that is the end of the road.
Has anyone any other suggestions?
Thanks for trying

I forgot to ask.... Was Samuel from the marriage of James with his 1st wife, or is Annie his mother.?
The 1861 census is clearly written... AGE 27yrs
She definitely seems to be too young to be the mother of the older siblings?

Have you found ANY of the family in 1871?


Is it possible that Annie married again, and they are showing under another surname?

Have you found Samuel on the 1871?

Thanks Prickly Holly,
That is them in 1861 Maybe he died before the next census.

Thanks Ann,
His son that got married in 1874 was a Samuel. It is a second marriage the one to Ann Edward/Edwards so I was wondering if there were any more children born to James.
Maybe it was a mistake on the son's marriage certificate , maybe they missed out the word "Deceased". If there is no entry on the 1871census then maybe he died before the census. He married her in 1861
Thanks for trying.

Is this the family in 1861??

1861 England Census
about Jas Armstrong
Name: Jas Armstrong
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Annie Armstrong
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland

Civil parish: Wellington
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Wellington
Sub-registration district: Wellington
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 117
Piece: 1898
Folio: 15
Page Number: 23
Household Members: Name Age
Jas Armstrong 42
Annie Armstrong 27
William Armstrong 20
Sarah Armstrong 17
Margaret Armstrong 14
Isaac Armstrong 11
Saml Armstrong 9

Cant find anyone in shropshire 1871 called James Armstrong who was born in Scotland.
What was the sons name and approx year of birth?
May be able to locate the family prior to his marriage

Thanks Prickly Holly.
Sadly still not him. I have investigated this one before, my James never got to London.

On the 1871 i posted his occupation is Mantle Maker.........on the 1861 he is a Victual Maker.........so that would fit?

Annie was born Winchester Hampshire.

Thanks Ann
But sadly this is not him as he came from Scotland.

??

1871 England Census
about James Armstrong
Name: James Armstrong
Age: 62
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Annie Armstrong
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: St Anne Soho
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Westminster
Sub-registration district: St Anne Soho
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Household schedule number: 111
Piece: 147
Folio: 48
Page Number: 27
Household Members: Name Age
James Armstrong 62
Annie Armstrong 42

Is this him?

1871 England Census about James Armstrong
Name: James Armstrong
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Armstrong
Gender: Male
Where born: Bilston, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Wrockwardine
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Registration district: Wellington
Sub-registration district: Wombridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 119
Piece: 2809
Folio: 14
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
James Armstrong 47
Ann Armstrong 52 born Lilleshall, Shropshire
James Armstrong 17
Elizabeth Armstrong 14
John Jones 4 NEPHEW
James Brown 20 LODGER

Would anyone be so kind as to look up James Armstrong and Ann in the 1871 census. They are living in Shropshire, possibly Wellington.
I am trying to find his age so that I might narrow down his Death record.
Her maiden name was Edwards.I think he was born in Scotland around 1813.
He is alive at the time of his son,s marriage 1874.I think he had died by the 1881 census.
Are there any children living with them?
Would be very grateful for some help.