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Hi AnnCardiff,

You have listed as I believed that Roderick's father was William Prytherch/Prydderch.
Do you mind me asking, how did you researched this? and what does the letters and numbers after the name mean (AFN: 2TDD-NN8)

I went to the churches at Myddfai and Llandeilo's fan and found a number of gravestones with the surname of Prytherch on them.

name: Evan EDWARD
gender: Male
birth: 1722
Llandeilorfan, Breckon, Wales
AFN: 2TCS-0NC

Marriages (1)
spouse: Mrs. EDWARD (AFN: 2TDD-G8Q )
marriage: Llandeilorfan, Breckon, Wales
Hide children (2)

child 1: Elizabeth EVANS (AFN: 2TDF-997 )
gender: Female
BIRTH 1751
Llandeilorfan, Breckon, Wales
BIRTH 1748

CHRISTENING 21 AUG 1748
Llandeilorfan, Breckon, Wales

child 2: Ann EVANS OR EDWARD (AFN: 2TCS-5FR )
gender: Female
BIRTH 1755

CHRISTENING 6 NOV 1755
Llandeilorfan, Breckon, Wales

name: Elizabeth EVANS
gender: Female
birth: 1751
Llandeilorfan, Breckon, Wales
birth: 1748
christening: 21 AUG 1748
Llandeilorfan, Breckon, Wales
AFN: 2TDF-997

Parents
father: Evan EDWARD (AFN: 2TCS-0NC )
mother: Mrs. EDWARD (AFN: 2TDD-G8Q )

name: William PRYTHERCH (PRYDDERCH)
gender: Male
birth: ABT 1720
Llandeilorfan, Breckon, Wales
AFN: 2TDD-NN8

Marriages (1)
spouse: Mrs. William PRYTHERCH (AFN: 2TDD-J32 )
marriage: Llandeilorfan, Breckon, Wales
Hide children (4)

child 1: Roderick WILLIAMS (AFN: 2TDD-ZNS )
gender: Male
BIRTH 1747
Llandeilorfan, Breckon, Wales
BIRTH 1750

CHRISTENING 26 AUG 1750
Llandeilorfan, Breckon, Wales
BURIAL 11 JAN 1805
Llandeilorfan, Breckon, Wales

child 2: Mary WILLIAMS OR PRYTHERCH (AFN: 2TDF-C75 )
gender: Female
BIRTH 1746

CHRISTENING 10 JUL 1746
Llandeilorfan, Breckon, Wales

child 3: Margaret PRYTHERCH (AFN: 2TDF-37R )
gender: Female
BIRTH 1748

CHRISTENING 5 MAR 1748
Llandeilorfan, Breckon, Wales
DEATH 18 JUN 1748
Llandeilorfan, Breckon, Wales

child 4: Margaret WILLIAMS OR PRYTHERCH (AFN: 2TCS-2VX )
gender: Female
BIRTH 1753

CHRISTENING 31 MAY 1753
Llandeilorfan, Breckon, Wales

Bingo!!!!!



name: Roderick WILLIAMS
gender: Male
birth: 1747
Llandeilorfan, Breckon, Wales
birth: 1750
christening: 26 AUG 1750
Llandeilorfan, Breckon, Wales
burial: 11 JAN 1805
Llandeilorfan, Breckon, Wales
AFN: 2TDD-ZNS

Parents
father: William PRYTHERCH (PRYDDERCH) (AFN: 2TDD-NN8 )
mother: Mrs. William PRYTHERCH (AFN: 2TDD-J32 )

Marriages (1)
spouse: Elizabeth EVANS (AFN: 2TDF-997 )
marriage: 28 FEB 1778
Llandeilorfan, Breckon, Wales
marriage: 28 FEB 1772
Hide children (2)

child 1: William WILLIAMS (AFN: 2TDF-58B )
gender: Male
BIRTH 21 MAR 1779
Llandeilorfan, Breckon, Wales
CHRISTENING 21 MAR 1779
Llandeilorfan, Breckon, Wales
DEATH AFT 1851


child 2: Daniel WILLIAMS (AFN: 2TC6-74R )
gender: Male
BIRTH 23 AUG 1783
Llandeilorfan, Breckon, Wales
DEATH 18 DEC 1870
Samaria, Oneida, Idaho
BURIAL 1 JAN 1871
Brigham City, Box Elder, Utah

further down the line?


Roderick Williams
England and Wales Census, 1851
birth: Llandilovane,? Brecknockshire
census: 1851 Wales


name: Roderick Williams
age: 23
gender: M
birthplace: Llandilovane, Brecknockshire
relationship to head of household: Son
record type: Household

Roderick Williams
England and Wales Census, 1851
birth: Llandilovane,? Brecknockshire
census: 1851 Wales


name: Roderick Williams
age: 40
gender: M
birthplace: Llandilovane, Brecknockshire
relationship to head of household: Head
record type: Household

In Wales, the patronymic naming system was used, in the case of my own family, up to the end of the 18th century.

My 3 x great-grandfather, b 1778, was Morgan Edward, son of Edward William who was son of William Morgan. Originally this would have been Morgan ap Edward, ap meaning "son of". So Martin is probably correct in his assumption that Roderick WIlliam was the son of William Prydderch.
During his lifetime, Morgan Edward became known as Morgan Edward William and his children all had the surname William(s).

The use of "ap" was dropped but survives in surnames such as Bevan (ap Evan), Pugh (ap Hugh), Powell (ap Howell), Bowen (ap Owen)

Do you mean ANCESTRY?

Hi Susan, I posted a marriage and deaths in Llandeilo Fawr in Carmathenshire earlier and then deleted as it's a totally different place to Landeilo'r Fan.

There are a lot of public trees available on A* with the family showing as Martin describes.

UK, Poll Books and Electoral Registers, 1538-1893
about William Prytherch Name: William Prytherch
Poll Year: 1754
County: Carmarthenshire

In the image it states Landilo

Please explain your train of thought..........

What makes you think that Roderick Williams was fathered by Prydderch?

Have you any documentary evidence to back up the assumption?

Who was Roderick's mother?

which name are you tracing back? presumably :Prydderch.

Surely if Roderick had used the surname williams, he'd have gone through life with it?

How are you attaching Roderick Williams to William Prydderch if their surnames are not the same?

I am having difficulties locating William Prytherch who was born about 1720 in I believe Llandeilo'r Fan. I believe that he had a brother Daniel Prytherch.
My connection is that William Prytherch had a few children and one of the children was Roderick Williams born 1750 in Llandeilo'r Fan and he married Elizabeth Evans.
Am I right that back then people used to instead of using the correct surname, they used to use the first name of the parent as the surname. As Roderick Williams should be Roderick Prytherch.