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Many thanks for all your help MarieCeleste i'm sure you do have the right Alice in London, i've come across that record before some months ago and thought.. possible?

It's the way they've wrote it down, as Jelfs, it's not always down to it being a transcription error. I'll try GR again in a month see if the spelling has been corrected.

Oce again, thanks for the help x

I can't be 100% sure that the London record is yours, it's only a possible - you'd need to try tracking through other records to see if anything exists for an Alice actually called Jelfs.

FMP acknowledge error reports immediately and state they will amend within 28 days if they agree with your report.

MarieCeleste, i don't know how you do it finding records like that, It's the first marriage you listed, Alice to John Anderton in 1911. and that's got to be my gran in London, i never thought she ventured outside of Birmingham lol, just goes to show she did !! And i always thought she was a quiet one.

The other Alice to Albert Bloomer is another family member, i didn't have any problems finding their record.

When you report transcription errors are they always carried out and how long does it usually take?

Might Alice have worked in London for a while?

Possible 1911:

HUBERT, Ladislas Head Married M 61 1850 Retired Cabinet Maker Austria Cracow Resident
HUBERT, Johanna Wife Married33 years F 55 1856 Russia Vilna Resident
HUBERT, Charles R Son Single M 31 1880 Elementary School Teacher London Rotherhithe
HUBERT, Theodore H A Son Single M 24 1887 Second Division Clerk London St Marylebone
HUBERT, Arthur H J Son Single M 22 1889 Assistant Clerk London St Marylebone
HUBERT, William R R Son Single M 21 1890 Port Clerk London St Marylebone
HUBERT, Emily O J Daughter Single F 19 1892 Second Class Clerk London St Marylebone
HUBERT, Harold E O Son Single M 17 1894 Student London St Marylebone
HUBERT, Lily O F Daughter F 13 1898 Scholar London St Marylebone
JELFS, Alice Servant Single F 23 1888 Domestic Servant N K << ??

RG number: RG14 Piece: 604 Reference: RG14PN604 RG78PN22 RD8 SD1 ED14 SN41
Registration District: Hampstead
Sub District: Hampstead
Enumeration District: 14
Parish: Hampstead

Address: 55 Parliament Hill Hampstead N W County: London

Patricia - we're ALL a team on here!!

I'm afraid I can't answer about finding the Selves record on here as I don't use this site for any records - I found that on FindMyPast.

So this is your gran's marriage:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1911
Anderton John Birmingham 6d 186
Gough Camilla Birmingham 6d 186
Jelves Alice Birmingham 6d 186 <<
Poole Alfred Birmingham 6d 186


and not this one:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1902
Bloomer Albert Birmingham 6d 283
Clemas Edward Reginald Birmingham 6d 283
Jelves Alice Birmingham 6d 283 <<<
Winters Alice Birmingham 6d 283

(I'd been going to track that 1902 marriage - you've saved me the bother)

I thought you might be MarieCeleste,
I have noticed the two of you seem to be a duo, I, and hope others, appreciate your valuable assistance.

A question or maybe two, why can't i find it as SELVES on GR record search?
Another question, i know my gran Alice 1888 didn't marry until after the 1911 census was taken... do you possibly have a solution or idea why i can't locate her in census records?

I love this site for it's simplicity, think i'll have to subscribe to Ancestry again to see if i can pull the record on there.

I shouldn't have to pay GR and Ancestry!

But we're a team on here RG so it doesn't matter :-)

Patricia, MarieCeleste found them as "Selves".

I only posted the deaths for the two Ellens and Elsie.

Great thanks MarieCeleste, Silly me didn't scroll up far enough and thought it was rodgatherer who found them as 'SELVES'

Fantastic rodgatherer ... doh transcription errors, i tried all combinations of Jelves, Jelfs, Jelphs, Jelvs and Jelvis... now i can look it up

Cheers poppet

Thanks MarieCeleste i have that record on Florence

No point in looking for Elsie?

Births Dec 1895 Jelves Elsie May Birmingham 6d 32
Deaths Mar 1896 JELVES Elsie May 0 Birmingham 6d 82

or either of the Ellens

Deaths Jun 1897 Jelves Ellen 12 Birmingham 6d 74


Deaths Dec 1898 Jelves Ellen 44 Birmingham 6d 63

1911 - Mrs F may be Florence:

TURBURFIELD, G Head Married M 32 1879 Boat Empter Warwickshire Northward St Bhm
TURBURFIELD, F Wife Married9 years F 32 1879 House Keeper Warwickshire Ceiel St Bhm
TURBURFIELD, Alice Daughter F 3 1908 Warwickshire Sumemr St Bhm
TURBURFIELD, Harry Son M 5 1906 Warwickshire Ward St Bhm
TURBURFIELD, George Son M 7 1904 Warwickshire Ward St Bhm
JELVES, Henry Brother Single M 29 1882 Mettle Worker Warwickshire Milton St Aston
JELVES, William Brother Single M 18 1893 Moter Fitter Warwickshire Tower Road Bhm
JELVES, Thomas Brother Single M 21 1890 Labourer Warwickshire Asylum Road Bham

RG number: RG14 Piece: 18095 Reference: RG14PN18095 RG78PN1097 RD384 SD3 ED35 SN108
Registration District: Birmingham
Sub District: St George
Enumeration District: 35
Parish: Birmingham

Address: 112 New Summer St Birmingham County: Warwickshire

ADDED:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1902
JELVES Florence Birmingham 6d 165
Turberfield George H Birmingham 6d 165

1901 - will report mistranscription:

SELVES, James Head Widower M 48 1853 Axle Grinder Birmingham Aston
SELVES, Florence Daughter Single F 22 1879 Thimble Cutter Birmingham
SELVES, Alice Daughter Single F 13 1888 Birmingham Aston
SELVES, William Son M 11 1890 Birmingham Aston
SELVES, Thomas Son M 8 1893 Birmingham

Piece: 2841 Folio: 95 Page: 30
Registration District: Birmingham
Civil Parish: Birmingham

Address: 1, 39, Back Of Tower Street, Birmingham County: Warwickshire

Thanks MarieCeleste i'll take a look

Hello Patricia, the Irish 1901 & 1911 census are free on http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/

Does anyone have access to Ireland census records or care homes? I can't seem to find any records for them in the England/Wales 1901 and 1911 census, These are details from the 1891 census (with a couple of updates)

Address
6, Tower Road - Parish Aston - District Aston, Aston Manor
Administrative County Warwickshire

Householder 1
Name James Jelves Age 40
Estimated Year of Birth 1851 - possible death 1907
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Coach Spring Grinder
Birth Place Birmingham
Birth Country Warwickshire

Name Ellen Jelves Age 37
Estimated Year of Birth 1854 - possible death 1898
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Birth Place Solihull
Birth County Worcestershire

Name Florence Jelves Age 12
Estimated Year of Birth 1879 - Married 1902
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Birmingham
Birth County Warwickshire

Name James H Jelves Age 9
Estimated Year of Birth 1882 - possible death 1923
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Aston
Birth County Warwickshire

Name Ellen Jelves Age 7
Estimated Year of Birth 1884
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Aston
Birth County Warwickshire

Name Alice Jelves Age 3
Estimated Year of Birth 1888
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Aston
Birth County Warwickshire

Name William Jelves Age 1
Estimated Year of Birth 1890
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Aston
Birth County Warwickshire

2 further children after the 1891 census are Thomas 1892 & Elsie 1895


Any help would be very much appreciated, thank you