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Flipping fibbers

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wisechild

wisechild Report 26 Jun 2012 14:20

Trying to track down George Wollastan Worledge who married Mary Ann Girling 1855 Stepney. According to his children´s Christening details he was a shipwright.
They had George Henry 1857, Charles Alexander 1859, Emily Mary 1860,Florence Theresa 1862 (d 1874) Eliza Agnes 1864 & Isaac John Bacon 1866.
Can´t find any of them in 1861 but in 1871 Mary Ann turns up in Clarence Street Portsea with the children under the surnam of Girling, saying she is the wife of Charles Girling, a shipwright who is several years younger than her.
George Wollaston Worledge died in Portsea in 1877, probate granted to his widow, Mary Ann Worledge of Clarence St Portsea.In 1881 she is in Suffolk as Worledge with son Isaac, living with Emily & her husband Philip Bucke.
Have all the info I need for George Wollastan Worledge´s parents, but would love to know where he was between 1855 when they got married & 1877 when he died.
Anyone up for it???

Penny

Penny Report 26 Jun 2012 14:30

Florence Theresa Worledge was born in Greenwich in 1862, so persumably in that vacinity in 1861, rather than Portsea

Eliza was born Poplar 1864

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 26 Jun 2012 14:30

1861 census transcription details for: Creek Road, St Nicholas, Deptford
RG number: RG09
Piece: 397
Folio: 29
Page: 2
Reg. District: Greenwich
Sub District: 2 St Nicholas
Parish: St Nicholas
Enum. District: 2
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Creek Road, St Nicholas, Deptford
County: London, Kent
GIRLING, Charles Head Married M 27 1834 Shipwright
Ipswich, Suffolk
GIRLING, Mary A Wife Married F 27 1834
Ipswich, Suffolk
GIRLING, George Hw Son Unmarried M 3 1858 Scholar
Deptford, Kent
GIRLING, Charles A Son Unmarried M 2 1859
Deptford, Kent
GIRLING, Emily M Daughter Unmarried F 0 (5M) 1861
Deptford, Kent
GIRLING, Emily Visitor Unmarried F 2 (29M) 1859
Ipswich, Suffolk

Gerling on Ancestry.

Maureen

Catherine

Catherine Report 26 Jun 2012 14:34

Just for his date of birth:-

Name:George Wollaston Worlidge
Age:21
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1834
Occupation: Joiner

Spouse Name:Mary Ann Girling
Spouse Age:21
Record Type:Marriage
Event Date:28 Oct 1855
Parish:Stepney St Dunstan and All Saints
Borough:Tower Hamlets
Father Name:George Worlidge
Occupation: Mariner
Register Type:Parish Register

wisechild

wisechild Report 26 Jun 2012 14:42

yes Penny, that´s where I was looking, in the London area.

Thanks Maureen. Very helpful, but the plot thickens because I have the baptisms of all the children in the surname Worledge with George as their father. Also, they all married with the surname Worledge, Mary Ann was named as his widow in 1877 & she was living under the surname Worledge in 1881.
Something odd here. Girling was her maiden name so presumably Charles is a relative although can´t identify him on earlier censuses. I did wonder if George had changed his name, but it doesn´t look likely. More likely that Charles is the father of some or all of the children.

Andrew

Andrew Report 26 Jun 2012 14:42

Longshot for George 1861???

EDIT. NO can trace family 1871/81

1861 England Census
about George Wolladge
Name: George Wolladge
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elenor Catharine Wolladge
Gender: Male
Where born: Deptford, Kent, England

Civil parish: Deptford St Paul
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Deptford
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: St Paul Deptford
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 184
Piece: 395
Folio: 189
Page Number: 30
Household Members: Name Age
George Wolladge 26
Elenor Catharine Wolladge 25
Sarah Elizabeth Wolladge 3

Birth for daughter. Nmae is nearly the same!

Births Sep 1857 (>99%)
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Wolledge Sarah Elizabeth Greenwich 1d 519



Andy

wisechild

wisechild Report 26 Jun 2012 14:51

Thanks Andy.
I´ll take a look.
Perhaps they were both at it.!!!!

Catherine

Catherine Report 26 Jun 2012 14:57

George was definately born 1834, Ipswich:-

Name: George Woollaston Worledge
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 15 Jan 1834
Baptism/Christening Place: ST CLEMENTS,IPSWICH,SUFFOLK,ENGLAND
Father's Name: George Worledge

Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Eliza

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C13179-1

System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 918524

..............which is what Charles Girling gives as his date and place of birth, and he also has the same occupation, so could it not be that the couple are hiding out, for some reason, under her maiden name as their surname, and George has taken the name of Charles so as not to be found????

wisechild

wisechild Report 26 Jun 2012 15:03

That´s what I wondered too, but all the children right up to 1866 have their father as George Worledge at their baptisms.. Perhaps he didn´t think he should lie to the vicar.
All seems very odd to me.

Catherine

Catherine Report 26 Jun 2012 15:16

Here's Charles (or George) in 1871:-

1871 England Censusabout Charles Geiling
Name: Charles Geiling
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Patient
Gender: Male
Where born: Ipswich, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Alverstoke
Ecclesiastical parish: Alverstoke
Town: Haslar
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Alverstoke
Sub-registration district: Alverstoke
ED, institution, or vessel: Royal Naval Hospital
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 1152
Folio: 80
Page Number: 23

...........original show clearly Girling and occupation is Shipwright.

Catherine

Catherine Report 26 Jun 2012 15:31

Just for the picture:-

1871 England Censusabout Mary Ann Girling
Name: Mary Ann Girling
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Ipswich, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Portsea
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Portsea Island
Sub-registration district: Kingston
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 84
Piece: 1127
Folio: 132
Page Number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Ann Girling 35
George Girling 13
Charles Girling 11
Pomley Girling 10 - born: Deptford, Kent
Florence Girling 8 - born: Deptford, Kent
Eliza Girling 6 - born: Poplar, Middlesex
Issaac Girling 5 - born: Poplar, Middlesex

Thomas Senior 26
Edward Turner 23
William Simpson 27
......................................................

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906about Isaac John Bacon Worledge
Name: Isaac John Bacon Worledge
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1866 (12 Feb 1866)
Baptism Date: 20 May 1866
Father's Name: George Wollaston Worledge
Occupation; Shipwright
Mother's name: Mary Ann Worledge
Parish or Poor Law Union: Limehouse St Anne
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers
Address: 14 Canton Street
.............................................................................

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906about Eliza Agnes Worledge
Name: Eliza Agnes Worledge
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1864
Baptism Date: 20 Mar 1864
Father's Name: George Wollaston Worledge
Occupation: Shipwright
Mother's name: Mary Ann Worledge
Parish or Poor Law Union: Poplar All Saints
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers
Address: 126 High Street
..................................
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915about Eliza Agnes Worledge
Name: Eliza Agnes Worledge
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1872
Age at Death: 8
Registration district: Portsea Island
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 229






wisechild

wisechild Report 26 Jun 2012 15:36

Wow. Thanks Catherine.
For reference, George Wollaston Worledge was son of George Worledge & Eliza Bacon who married 10.4.1831 in Ipswich. George snr was a mariner & I have never tracked him down on a census. In 1841 Eliza & her children were living with her father Wollaston Bacon & her brother John who were also both mariners.
Wonder if George/Charles was employed by the Royal Navy or if the hospital was used by everyone.

Catherine

Catherine Report 26 Jun 2012 15:39

If George's mother was Eliza Bacon, then that would be the reason for one of Isaacs middle names being Bacon.

wisechild

wisechild Report 26 Jun 2012 15:44

Ye. it´s also the reason that George Worledge´s middle name is Wollastan, after his grandfather.