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Hi again
Just to qualify that a bit more, john walsh who died in 1863 in the cliviger pit explosion, i had forgotten that i had found his baptism in altham , but his father was actually william whitaker. Mum mary hargreaves still, but then she started calling herself walsh between 1820 and 1841. Then married john macintosh in 1837 , but no sign of john macintosh on the 1841 census. She was althoghether a nusiance for changing her name. She was buried calling herself macintosh though. In 1858. I would love to have met this woman, and told her off for causing such hard work in the family history.

Another positive that it all fits, is that in the graves, all the family are there, andrew is 22 when he dies on adelphi street, in with the gills who his sister mary married into. I am loving the amount of info i have been getting from the extra info on the lancashire parish clerks site, its been a real help with tracking deaths of people.
But if anyone would like to try solving the mystery of john walsh,s birth, its a very difficult task, involving disappearing people etc. ?? His mum is mary Macintosh, formerly walsh, nee hargreaves. Living in altham for most of her life. We have never been able to discover why she was named walsh and so named john a walsh at all. We have found a marriage for her to a John Macintosh in 1837/38 in altham. And i know her mum is also called Mary hargreaves. They had connections to great harwood.
We have also lost john Macintosh after about 1838, when mary and he had a daughter isabella. I have got no death found for him and wonder if he maybe moved away to goodness knows where. ? :-)

Hi , sorry for delay. He was injured in the pit, and it wasnt andrew, the other son. I only know because i got the inquest and death reports in the paper some time ago now. Very sad story. Think they held the inquest at the Red Lion. Quite a bit in the paper. It blamed John in the end, but as i dont know enough about mining and fire damp, i was unsure if it was just a cover up or not. Looking back on your reply ann, im sure william was named in the inquest into Johns death. ? I have the cuttings somehwere, well, copies of the cuttings anyway.
To answer ann, somewhere we have the proof its him. I hope. Its been a long long time since we did this part of the tree. But when i looked at what some of the other family memebers had put on their published tree, , that william moved to preston with mary hartley, i double checked it, and discovered that wasnt correct. We have phtos of the girls, all the walsh girls in a family group, but the boys are never on, and i now think its because they were both dead in their twenties. So the walsh family name died out in that family. I havent found a marriage yet for andrew, hed died aged 22 , and have not found a surviving child for william.
To be perfectly honest, there is some doubt anyway that walsh is the correct name for the john walsh in question, but that is another very long story, all to do with his very confusing mother and a family called macintosh in altham.
thanks folks
shirley :-)

Yes....it is...

Name: WALSH J.
Age: 0 N/K
Date: 03/10/1863
Year: 1863
Occupation: Fireman
Colliery: Cliviger
Owner: Cliviger Coal Co
Town: Burnley
County: Lancashire
Notes: Explosion of firedamp in the "Union pit." A stopping had been left down and he incautiously and contrary to the rules entered with an open light.

the description of the accident at Cliviger Colliery (if that is the right one) in the newspaper does not name William - he is just described in one as John's young son who was sent for help and in another as John's son who was injured but recovering

I cannot find any Wm Walsh injured at the Union Pit same time as J Walsh was killed...3/10/1863

was John a fireman killed in an explosion at Cliviger colliery?

What makes you think the marriage to Mary hartley is your William please?

From lancsopc - his father is not named:

Marriage: 13 May 1871 St James, Burnley, Lancashire, England
William Walsh - 21 Iron Moulder Bachelor of Adelphi St
Mary Hartley - (X), 21 Spinner Spinster of Park Lane
Bride's Father: James Hartley, Gardener
Witness: George Hartley; Maria Newsome, (X)
Married by Certificate by: Hugh Stamer Incumbent
Notes: [Grooms Father unnamed]
Register: Marriages 1849 - 1871, Page 245, Entry 490
Source: LDS Film 1526113

think i may have found him. Think he died in 1879 , a few years after his wife and child, aged 28 years. Mary and ellen ann walsh died in octobe r 1876 and he died three years later. What a shame.
thanks anyway.
shirley

think i may have found him. Think he died in 1879 , a few years after his wife and child, aged 28 years. Mary and ellen ann walsh died in octobe r 1876 and he died three years later. What a shame.
thanks anyway.
shirley

Hi folks
Got a hard one for you. Trying to track down william walsh, son of john walsh and margaret nee smith. Last known on the 1861 census living with parents in burnley-albion street. Then he got injured in a pit accident in 1863 which killed his father.. After this i am not sure i find him on any census, maybe 1871 still in burnley. Think he marries a mary hartley in 1871 at st james church . Think her father is named james. William is born around 1850 in altham lancashire. Someone has found who he thinks is mary and william in preston on the 1891 and i am not certain it is them.
can anyone help?
thanks
shirley