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I have birth records for my branch of the Sylvester family from my late mother to my great great grandfather George Sylvester father of Agnes.

I have copies of the Marriage Bond & Allegation for Walter Watkin and Agnes also a copy of the parish marriage register of St. Mary's Hammersmith both from Ancestry.co.uk

Thr Fray family from Wales look interesting if only because all the boys have the middle name of Watkin.

Thank you all for your work so far.

Dave

London and Surrey, England, Marriage Bonds and Allegations, 1597-1921 about Walter Watkin Fray
Name: Walter Watkin Fray
Age: 21
Birth Year: abt 1841
Event Date: 31 May 1862
Parish: Fulham
County: Middlesex
Spouse's Name: Agnes Silvester
Spouse's Age: 21
Spouse's Parish: Newbold Upon Avon
Event Type: Allegation
Reference Number: MS 10091/239 PART 2

This may be him. He is married.


1871 England Census about Walter Feery
Name: Walter Feery
[Walter Fray]
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Chage Attendant (Attendant)
Gender: Male
Where born: Newtown, Montgomeryshire, Wales
Civil parish: Caterham
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Godstone
Sub-registration district: Godstone
ED, institution, or vessel: Metropolitan District Asylum
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 838
Folio: 96
Page Number: 3

Parents: William Fray,? Anne

name: John Watkin Fray
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 23 Oct 1778
baptism/christening place: SAINT ANDREW,ENFIELD,LONDON,ENGLAND
father's name: William Fray
mother's name: Anne
indexing project (batch) number: C06786-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 585398, 585400, 585402, 585403, 585405, 585406


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London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812 about John Watkins Fray
Name: John Watkins Fray
Baptism Date: 26 Apr 1805
Parish: St Mary at Lambeth
County: Surrey
Borough: Lambeth
Parent(s): William Fray,
Rebecca Abigail Fray
Record Type: Baptism
Register Type: Parish Register

Oh bother

Name: Helen Emma Fray
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1868
Baptism Date: 26 Apr 1868
Father's Name: Walter Fray - change of occupation now a greengrocer
Mother's name: Mary Ann Fray
Parish or Poor Law Union: Mile End Old Town Holy Trinity
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers


She is with her grandmother in 1871

Other children??

1) Samuel Watkin Fray

Wales, Births and Baptisms, 1541-1907

christening: 01 Mar 1821 KERRY,?MONTGOMERY,?WALES
death: 27 Jun 1821

parents: John Watkin Fray,? Elizabeth

2) David Watkin Fray

Wales, Births and Baptisms, 1541-1907

christening: 26 Dec 1825 KERRY,?MONTGOMERY,?WALES

parents: John Watkin Fray,? Elizabeth

3) John Watkin Fray

Wales, Births and Baptisms, 1541-1907

christening: 30 May 1814 KERRY,?MONTGOMERY,?WALES

parents: John Watkin Fray,? Elizabeth

4) John Watkin Fray

Wales, Births and Baptisms, 1541-1907

christening: 03 Jul 1822 KERRY,?MONTGOMERY,?WALES
death: 04 Jun 1823

parents: John Watkin Fray,? Elizabeth

5) George Watkin Fray

Wales, Births and Baptisms, 1541-1907

christening: 06 Jun 1828 KERRY,?MONTGOMERY,?WALES
death: 11 Jun 1829

parents: John Watkin Fray,? Elizabeth

6) Ann Fray

Wales, Births and Baptisms, 1541-1907

christening: 22 Jun 1818 KERRY,?MONTGOMERY,?WALES
death: 14 Jun 1819

parents: John Watkin Fray,? Elizabeth

7) Rosanna Fray

Wales, Births and Baptisms, 1541-1907

christening: 22 Jan 1824 KERRY,?MONTGOMERY,?WALES

parents: John Watkin Fray,? Elizabeth

8) Elizabeth Fray

Wales, Births and Baptisms, 1541-1907

christening: 06 Mar 1831 KERRY,?MONTGOMERY,?WALES

parents: John Watkin Fray,? Elizabeth

Really strange but going to throw this into the mix


Name: Walter Fray
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Huntley
Spouse Age: 27
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 3 Apr 1867
Parish: Shoreditch St Leonard
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: John Fray
Spouse Father Name: William Huntley
Register Type: Parish Register


Says batchelor
But something about the signature looks a bit like the earlier marriage

Would value a second opinion

1861

reinstated.........

Name: Walter Fray
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Male
Where born: Montgomeryshire, Wales
Civil parish: Chatham
Ecclesiastical parish: Rochester
Town: Chatham
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Registration district: Medway
Sub-registration district: Gillingham
ED, institution, or vessel: Royal Marine Barracks Chatham

Not finding any London Baptisms to this couple

Day: 20
Month: Mar
Year: 1827
Title:
Forenames: Walter Watkin
Surname:
Relationship:
Fathers notes:
Fathers title:
Fathers forenames: John Watkin
Fathers surname: FRAY
Fathers occupation: Farmer
Fathers abode: Newhouse
Mothers title:
Mothers forenames: Elizabeth
Place: Llanllwchaiarn
Dedication:
County: Montgomeryshire
Country: Wales

Are you suggesting this is his father ?

Name: John Watkins Fray
Baptism Date: 26 Apr 1805
Parish: St Mary at Lambeth
County: Surrey
Borough: Lambeth
Parent(s): William Fray,
Rebecca Abigail Fray
Record Type: Baptism
Register Type: Parish Register


Because I can not find him either

How did you work back to them?

That is the correct Agnes she was born on 10.12.1843 at Lexden, Colchester.

This looks like Agnes, might help for birthplace?


1851 England Census

Name: Agnes Sylvester
[Agnes Sylvseter]
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George Sylvester
Mother's name: Agnes Sylvester
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Colchester, Essex, England

Civil parish: Rugby
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
Town: Rugby
County/Island: Warwickshire

Registration district: Rugby
Sub-registration district: Rugby

George Sylvester 39 engineer
Agnes Sylvester 39
Thomas Sylvester 11
Agnes Sylvester 8
Levenear Sylvester 6
Robertson Sylvester 4
Joseph Sylvester 10 Mo

Possible for Agnes 1851 for place of birth

1851 England Census
about Agnes Sylvester
Name: Agnes Sylvester
[Agnes Sylvseter]
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: George Sylvester
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Blatchington, Sussex, England

Civil parish: Rugby
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
Town: Rugby
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Rugby
Sub-registration district: Rugby
ED, institution, or vessel: 15c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 144
Piece: 2069
Folio: 267
Page Number: 36
Household Members: Name Age
George Sylvester 39 Engineer
Agnes Sylvester 39
Thomas Sylvester 11
Agnes Sylvester 8
Levenear Sylvester 6
Robertson Sylvester 4
Joseph Sylvester 10 Mo


Andy

I can't find them at all, anywhere

Andy

I can't find them on any census.

Kath. x

So does that mean you have not found them in 1871 ?

Or which is the last census you have found either of them on ?

I am trying to find out what happened to Walter Watkin Fray and his wife after they were married in 1862

Walter Watkin Fray a mechanic age 31
Married Agnes Sylvester on 08.06.1862 at the parish church of West Kensington St.Mary Hammersmith & Fulham, Middlesex Name of father John Watkin Fray, gentleman.
Name of bride Agnes Sylvester age 21, abode Vale (not sure about Vale) Place, Newbold on Avon
Name of father George Sylvester, mechanic.

Thanks Dave