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Samuel Lee son of Joseph Lee Marriage between 1889-1900 Warwickshire if possible.

Hello Cheryl, what age would he have been? Any idea who he might have married?

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Warwickshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1910
Name: Samuel Lee, bachelor, a collier
Birth Year: abt 1877
Age: 20
Spouse Name: Chidaleth Stanley (Elizabeth on image), spinster
Spouse Age: 23
Marriage or Bann Date: 28 Oct 1897
Event Type: Marriage
Parish: Bedworth
Father Name: Joseph Lee - collier
Spouse Father Name: John Stanley - collier

Bride & groom both lived Bedworth.

Witnesses William Lee and Maria Lee.

This one?

Warwickshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1910
about Samuel Lee
Name: Samuel Lee
Birth Year: abt 1877
Age: 20
Spouse Name: Chidaleth Stanley (Elizabeth on image)
Spouse Age: 23
Marriage or Bann Date: 28 Oct 1897
Event Type: Marriage
Parish: Bedworth
Father Name: Joseph Lee
Spouse Father Name: John Stanley


1901 census

1901 England Census
about Samuel Lee
Name: Samuel Lee
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Lee
Gender: Male
Where born: Collywoft, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Foleshill
Ecclesiastical parish: West Longford St Lawrence
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Foleshill
Sub-registration district: Foleshill
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 75
Piece: 2904
Folio: 55
Page Number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Lee 24
Elizabeth Lee 26
Florence H Lee 6 Weeks





Andy

The marriage in 1897 Bedwioth is interesting is there by any chance an occupation. The jospeh lee in my Tree was a Hawker. I have only found his son Samuel on one census so not sure about Samuel's age anywhere between 1862-1871?

Cheryl, I've added that info above. The father's occupation doesn't match.

Why not tell us more about Joseph and we can try tracing Samuel that way - there was more than one of that age and name in Warwickshire.

Both Samuel and Joseph are Colliers on the marriage record.

Andy

Joseph Lee is a Gypsy/Hawker on 1911 Census he is in Ashford, Staines Mddx. a widower. This is the first time i have come across his son Samuel Lee. There is a Lezzie Lee as well, I am not sure if she is a daughter of Jospeh or a wife of Samuel. There is also an Emmanuel/Manuel Lee who i believe is Samuel's son and Joseph's Grandson. Samuel is down as being born in Mitcham surrey i believe. Only have an index for 1911 on this family. Cheryl

This is that 1911:

LEE, Joseph Head Widower M 69 1842 General Delear Maidstone Kent
STEVENS, Walter Nephew Single M 22 1889 Hawkins Epsom
LEE, Manuel Son Single M 27 1884 Hawkins Worcestershire
LEE, Samuel Son Single M 50 1861 Hawkins Mitcham Surrey
LEE, Lezzie Daughter Single F 39 1872 Hawkins Sussex

RG number: RG14 Piece: 6728 Reference: RG14PN6728 RG78PN335 RD126 SD1 ED4 SN225
Registration District: Staines
Sub District: Sunbury
Enumeration District: 4
Parish: Ashford

Address: Bugalow Staveley Road Ashford County: Middlesex

** Where would a Warwickshire marriage have fitted with this?

On the original image the daughter's name is Lizzie.

Joseph has entered his late wife's name as Porterbella Lee and she was 59. They had completed 48 years marriage (I'm assuming those years would be to the time of her death). They'd had 3 children, 1 had died (which doesn't fit with three living children on the record - unless he's also entered the details of the deceased child).

The 1911 census has errors Manuel Lee is not the son of Joseph. Josephs son Emmanuel/Manuel Lee was born in 1872 Southam, Warwickshire. In 1911 he has his own Household with wife Alice and sons Joseph 1894, Emanuel 1897, Walter 1901 and John 1905 in Ashford staines. Thats why i believe Manuel born 1884 would be Samuel's son, possible Lezzie could be Samuel's wife. This is the first i have come across her.

So Samuel still single in 1911...... no marriage in Warwickshire or anywhere
...

This looks to be Joseph's

Marriages Sep 1862 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Brockhurst Porterbeller Dighton - Tunbridge 2a 677
Brockhurst Portobella Dieghten - Tunbridge 2a 677
Lee Joseph - Tunbridge 2a 677

The Family were Gypsy/Travelers so traveled. Warwickshire, Worcesershire, Surrey. So i have to look for marriages in all the known places they travel.

Births Mar 1843 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dyton Portabella - Braintree 12 16

Thanks for looking up the original info. that helps. Samuel son with him, Emanue/Manuel living with his wife alice and family. I believe there was possibly a daughter Caroline Lee who died possibly the Walter Stevens living with Joseph is his grandson, possibly Carolines son. That is another lead i am looking into.

I have Josephs Marriage and his wifes Baptism, also Joseph and his siblings baptisms.
Its trying to sort out Samuel Lee and possibly Caroline Lee who may have died. Lezzie? where does she fit in. The gypsies called Daughter in laws Daughter. Grandsons were sometimes called nephews?

Ho Cheryl, I've looked again at the original of that 1911. On it, Manuel's age is quite clearly 39 and not 27. Looks like Joseph listed all of his family on the form, whether they were still with him or not.

Lezzie (who I stated earlier was actually Lizzie) - could she be the one that died? Hard to say what Joseph meant when he filled the form in.

EDIT: Forgot to mention that Joseph hadn't completed the marital status column for his three children. It looks like "single" was therefore assumed by the census officials. Also, it looks like he put Manuel's birthplace as Woricshire (Warwickshire) which has been transcribed as Worcestershire.

I've sent you a pm with the original census form so you can have a look for yourself.

The 1901 confirms the grandchildren (Emanuel & Alice's children) recorded as "son":

LEE, Joseph Head Married M 57 1844 General Labourer Maidstone, Kent
LEE, Portabella Wife Married F 54 1847 Totham, Essex
LEE, Emmanuel Son Married M 29 1872 General Labourer Southam, Warwickshire
LEE, Alice Daughter Married F 29 1872 Egham, Surrey
STEVENS, Walter Grand Son Single M 14 1887 Epsom, Surrey
LEE, Joseph Son M 7 1894 Ashford, Middlesex
LEE, Emmanuel Son M 4 1897 Ashford, Middlesex
JONES, Emma Visitor Single F 17 1884 Greenwich, London

Piece: 1171 Folio: 66 Page: 11
Registration District: Staines
Civil Parish: Ashford

Address: (Caravan), Staveley Road, Ashford County: Middlesex