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pm from Gary

"Hi MC.

Sorry I have not got back sooner, Not enough hours in the day or days in a week. Wow what a lot of info in my thread, I have match with some of the info you have kindly given, I have also linked Elizabeth Waters married to Henry Thomas. My partner surname is Waters family from westminster area definatly have to do xx tree now. I have not had a chance yet to look up Grt GF George on the site you suggested but I have spoken to my brother who told us that George was killed by gas at the somme, he got the info off our cousin on the wakeman side so I need to contact cousin to see where she got the info, would be nce to get that one solved."

Adding to nudge thread.

A possible for Henry with family in 1871:

SMITH, Thomas Head M 43 1828 Middlesex , Spitalfields - a shoemaker
SMITH, Charlotte Wife F 40 1831 Middlesex, Bethnal Green
SMITH, Charlotte Daughter F 17 1854 Not Known
SMITH, Thomas Son M 14 1857 Not Known
SMITH, Henry Son M 12 1859 Not Known < Messenger
SMITH, George Son M 7 1864 Not Known
SMITH, Harriet Daughter F 4 1867 Not Known
SMITH, Benjamin Son M 1 1870 Not Known

Piece: 497 Folio: 28 Page: 1
Registration District: Bethnal Green
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green

Address: Cheshire St, Bethnal Green, London County: London, Middlesex

I think this 1881 census confirms the 1884 marriage I posted above. The 1911 census shows mother Elizabeth as Collingbourne, Wilts.

SHOUT, Harry C Head Married M 46 1835 Retired Hampstead, Middlesex
SHOUT, Ann Wife Married F 48 1833 ?ley, Oxfordshire
WATERS, Elizabeth Servant Single F 21 1860 Genl Servant Allingbourne ?, Wiltshire **

Piece: 213 Folio: 6 Page: 5
Registration District: Pancras
Civil Parish: St Pancras

Address: 22, Willes Rd, St Pancras County: London, Middlesex

** The original image definitely looks like her birthplace was Collingbourne.

A possible for Henry and Elizabeth's marriage:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Henry Thomas Smith, bachelor - a labourer
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Waters, spinster
Spouse Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 14 Sep 1884
Parish: Haverstock Hill St Andrew
Borough: Camden
Father Name: Thomas Robert Smith - cordwainer
Spouse Father Name: James Walters - labourer (think name should be Waters)
Register Type: Parish Register

Address for both: 16 Preston Street.

Witnesses: Henry Samuel Prior & Ellen Jane Luck


Gary really needs to get one of the children's birth certs to confirm Elizabeth's maiden name.

On George's baptism the address was 6 Haverstock Place which made me think this may be on the right track. The baptism original confirms his actual birth date as 14 August 1893

Hit lucky again with that address on the marriage, 1911 shows his family there:

SMITH, Henry Head Married M 50 1861 None Labourer Stratford London
SMITH, Elizabeth Wife Married 25 years F 50 1861 Collingbourne Wilts
SMITH, Harry Son Single M 18 1893 Labourer General Hampstead London
SMITH, Bessy Daughter Single F 16 1895 Domestic Servant Hampstead London View
SMITH, Mable Daughter Single F 14 1897 Domestic Servant Hampstead London View
SMITH, George Son Single M 17 1894 Army Hampstead London

RG number: RG14 Piece: 2617 Reference: RG14PN2617 RG78PN88 RD28 SD1 ED23 SN37
Registration District: Greenwich
Sub District: Deptford North
Enumeration District: 23
Parish: St Paul Deptford

Address: 43 Wagner Street Deptford S E County: London

Possible baptism..

Name: George Smith
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1893
Baptism Date: 8 Oct 1893
Father's Name: Henry Thomas Smith>>>labourer
Mother's name: Elizabeth Smith
Parish or Poor Law Union: Haverstock Hill Holy Trinity
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers

Hit lucky - the marriage is on Ancestry - her name is Goad on the certificate:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Grace Good, spinster
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Spouse Name: George Smith, bachelor - a tinsmith
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 28 Jun 1914
Parish: Camberwell Christ Church
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Charles Matthew Good - labourer
Spouse Father Name: Henry Thomas Smith - labourer
Register Type: Parish Register

Address for both: 43 Wagner Street

Witnesses: Charles West and Ellen Ribbins.

for area ref

Births Jun 1920 (>99%)
Stevens Joseph F Goad Woolwich 1d 2560

Births Mar 1926 (>99%)
Stevens Rose E Goad Woolwich 1d 1642

Stevens / Smith marriage similar area

A copy of their marriage certificate should give you their father's names and occupations - vital with a name like Smith if you're going to try to work back through the census. will also give you their ages at marriage.

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1914
GOAD Grace Smith Camberwell 1d 1470
GOOD Grace Smith Camberwell 1d 1470
Smith George Goad Camberwell 1d 1470

(Obviously confusion over Grace's surname).

EDIT: Marriage details posted below.

Hello Gary, welcome to the boards.

You can search for war dead on the CWGC website http://www.cwgc.org

There were 186 British servicemen called George Smith killed in 1916 alone.

Where was the family from?

Hi.

I Am looking for information for my Great grandfather George Smith 1894- 1916, Rumor is that he was killed in the somme, in 1919 Grace remarried Joseph Stevens, I am trying to trace my ancestry on George, George and Grace had 2 sons George henry thomas ( my grandad ) and Charlie G, Charlie has a son george. Grace and Jo had 3 other children Fred Rose and Tom,

Any information would be Great.

Gary.