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see what I mean by messy? :-)

They went on to have 3 children though so maybe it was just an error in the records.

Border Crossings: From Canada to U.S., 1895-1956
Name: Gifford Mesny <<<<<<<Single!
Arrival Date: 30 Aug 1895
Port of Arrival: St Albans, Vermont, United States
Ship Name: Mongolian
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Age: 26
Birth Date: abt 1869
Gender: Male
Race/Nationality: English
Record Type: Manifests

They only married in 1894 and just over a year later he's claiming to be single

I know, it seemed to have been a fairly messy business.
I've done a fir bit of researching on the Mesny side to glean any snippets but once he went to Baltimore it got difficult. I will have to obtain his death certificate I think just to confirm who was present at the time.

on her marriage cert to mr rodgers she claims shes a widow

He's here stating he is single


1900 United States Federal Census
about Gilfard D J Niesny
Name: Gilfard D J Niesny
[Giffard D J Mesny]
[Gilford J Nissey]
Age: 30
Birth Date: Jan 1870
Birthplace: Channel Islands
Home in 1900: Baltimore Ward 13, Baltimore City (Independent City), Maryland
[Baltimore]
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1895
Relation to Head of House: Tenant
Marital Status: Single
Father's Birthplace: France
Mother's Birthplace: England
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Price 44
Lena Price 42
Lottie Price 20
Johanna Price 17
Silla Lee 29
Elizabeth B Kleiser 52
Gilfard D J Niesny 30
Raoul R Cluttier 39
Margaret R Cluttier 24


1910 United States Federal Census
about Gifford M Meany
Name: Gifford M Meany
[Gilford M Mesny]
[Gifford M Mesny]
Age in 1910: 40
Birth Year: 1870
Birthplace: England
Home in 1910: Precinct 3, Washington, District of Columbia
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Bessie B Meany
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Gifford M Meany 40 <<<Married 5 years
Bessie B Meany 38
Winifred A Coyle 24
Margaret B Gibbons 28
Ada M Olden 30
Katie A Robinson 36
Mary Woodland 34

We assume so but have found no record of her divorce yet as he was next found in America with a new wife c1905, though as you've found, ended up back in the Uk at the time of his death.

1901 England Census
about Stanley Charlesworth De Jersey Maney
Name: Stanley Charlesworth De Jersey Maney
[Stanley Mesny]
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Sarah A Gill
Gender: Male
Where born: Chamel Island, Alderney, Channel Islands

Civil parish: Bradford
Ecclesiastical parish: Bowling St John
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England


Registration district: Bradford
Sub-registration district: Bowling
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 190
Piece: 4143
Folio: 188
Page Number: 31
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah A Gill 57
Edmondson Charles 61
Stanley Charlesworth De Jersey Maney 6
Victor Mesny 2

Did she divorce from her first husband?


England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006
Name: Giffard De J Mesny
Birth Date: abt 1870
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1946
Age at Death: 76
Registration district: Surrey South Eastern
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 5g
Page: 753


Marriages Jun 1894
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Charlesworth Emmeline Maud Leeds 9b 756
Mesny Gilffard De Jersey Leeds 9b 756






Marriages Dec 1904
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Mesny Emmeline Maude J N. Bierley 9b 313
RODGERS Walter N Bierley 9b 313

Will do, thanks..

Sue

Read this, it tells you all about 'Resealing'

http://www.iwc-ltd.co.uk/overseas-probate__resealing-probate.html?id=overseas-probate__probate-reseals


Ive given you the link in my previous post for you to send for a full copy of the will, she may well have left more than the probate record states

Thanks for the information.

My Phyllis married John Patrick Ashworth but of course it is possible that Allan was a relative living in the househld if it is her.

Forgive my ignorance but would this mean that the family took 2 years to make a claim on her will or that new property or assets may have been found after 2 years and subsequently claimed for, £11 was'nt a great deal was it?

'A' Phyllis was living in Australia, although that could be a co-incidence

Phyllis Irene Ashworth
Gender: Female
Electoral Year: 1949
State: Victoria
District: Chisholm
Subdistrict: Glen Iris

5 Wallis Ave, S E 6

Living with Allan Edmund Ashworth, a clerk.

You can send for a copy of the will and it will cost you £6 incl

Log on here:



http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/probate

For info

If a person died outside the UK but has assets to be collected in the UK and probate has been indertaken abroad, then is it possible that the probate will be resealed by the probate office in London.

Astralia is one of rhe countries that recogn ise this act.

Hi Michelle, yes it is, I have this entry already but thanks for the reply.

1911 England Census about Emerline Maude John Rodgers
Name: Emerline Maude John Rodgers
Age in 1911: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Bradford, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Blackpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 18 Cheltenham Road
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 6
Estimated Marriage Year: 1905
Registration district: Fylde
Registration District Number: 477
Sub-registration district: Blackpool
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 178
Piece: 25407
Household Members:
Name Age
Walter Rodgers 30
Victor Mesny 12
Emerline Maude John Rodgers 35
Stanley De Jessey Mesny 16
David Mc Knight 21
Elizabeth Elston 18
Phyllis John Rodgers 1

Is this them in 1911

Hi, I have come across this reference and wondered if anyone can shed light from the other side of the pond please?

Emmeline Maude Julia Rodgers, of 58 Baldwin Road, Blackpool died 24/10/1947 probate Lancaster 5/3/1948 to Phyllis Irene Ashworth (wife of John Patrick Ashworth). Effects £11 8s 11d. Resealed Sydney New South Wales 22/11/1949

Did Emmeline own property in Sydney or was her daughter Phyllis living there in 1949?

Thanks for your help.