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patchem

patchem Report 4 Jun 2012 11:33

Coud you get some marriage and birth certificates so you know you have the correct family?
You need them.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 4 Jun 2012 11:27

As you have mis-read the info posted - I copy here

Marriages Sep 1851 (>99%)
Bedford William Abergavenny 26 9
Davies Margaret Abergavenny 26 9
Davies Mary Abergavenny 26 9
GIMBLETT William Abergavenny 26 9
GIMLETT William Abergavenny 26 9
JAMES Mary Abergavenny 26 9
Price Thomas Abergavenny 26 9
THOMAS James Abergavenny 26 9
Tiley Elizabeth Abergavenny 26 9

Are you certain that his wife was Mary Davies? Do you have anything to verify the assumption?

If you have - these might prove to be connected in some way

William Coslett Davies Apr-May-Jun 1873 Llandilofawr Carmarthenshire

Walter Coslett Davies Oct-Nov-Dec 1885 Pontypridd Glamorgan, Mid Glamorgan

William Coslett Davies Apr-May-Jun 1887 Llandilofawr Carmarthenshire
View Record
David Coslett Davies Apr-May-Jun 1894 Pontardawe Breconshire, Glamorgan

David Coslett Davies Apr-May-Jun 1897 Swansea Glamorgan, West Glamorgan
View Record
Rees Coslett Davies Oct-Nov-Dec 1898 Pontardawe Glamorganshire

Thomas Coslett Davies Apr-May-Jun 1900 Llanelly Carmarthenshire, Glamorgan
View Record
John Coslett Davies Jan-Feb-Mar 1905 Pontardawe Breconshire, Glamorgan

Rees Coslett Davies Jan-Feb-Mar 1908 Pontardawe Breconshire, Glamorgan

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 4 Jun 2012 11:18

Check back on freebmd for possible records

Sonya

Sonya Report 4 Jun 2012 11:15

Thank you. So William Gimlett married Marry Davies 1855 and Margaret Waters 1877..majority of children from Mary. Thank you. I wonder where the Coslett middle name comes from for Edmund and Kate? Could it be their maternal Grandmothers name? sonya

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 1 Jun 2012 09:31


A man may not marry his:

1 Mother
2 Daughter
3-4 Grandmother
5-6 Granddaughter
7 Sister
8-9 Half Sister
10 Mother-in-Law
11 Step-Daughter
12 Step-Mother
13 Daughter-in-Law
14-15 Step-Grandmother
16-17 Grandmother-in-Law
18-19 Step-Granddaughter
20-21 Granddaughter-in-Law
22-23 Aunt and Half Aunt
24-25 Niece and Half Niece


The above is the up-to-date version of the list - the earlier ones were much more wide-ranging.

For the full list(s), look at

http://www.genetic-genealogy.co.uk/Toc115570145.html

You may need to consider that these two children were in no way related to Towne - their descriptions as nephew and niece may simply have been terms of affection - in fact as he later married the girl, they couldn't have been related, unless he was a law-breaker

patchem

patchem Report 26 May 2012 09:44

William Gimlett married 3 times:
He was widowed in 1851, then Mary, then Margaret.
This might not help in finding the connection, but you need to find all the marriages, siblings, parents, to see if there is a loose connection somewhere.

How can you be sure that the first marriage was childless - any children could be living with her parents in 1851?
e.g.
Births Jun 1847
GIMLETT William Abergavenny 26 18
GIMLETT William Abergavenny 26 48
Births Dec 1848
Gimlett Mary Ann Abergavenny 26 13
Births Dec 1850
GIMLET Eleanor Abergavenny 26 20

Because of the large number of deaths and remarriages I think you need a large sheet of paper and to work your way through all the permutations.

Just for reference:
1841 Wales Census
James Gimlett Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Gender: Male
Civil parish: Bedwelty Hundred: Wentllooge (Lower Division)
County/Island: Monmouthshire Country: Wales
Registration district: Abergavenny Sub-registration district: Tredegar
Piece: 750 Book: 8 Folio: 27 Page Number: 19
James Gimlett 45
Martha Gimlett 45
Eliz Gimlett 15
Wm Gimlett 14
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 750; Book: 8; Civil Parish: Bedwelty; County: Monmouthshire; Enumeration District: 18; Folio: 27; Page: 19; Line: 20; GSU roll: 438846.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 26 May 2012 09:34

You say that William's first marriage was 'childless' - the records appear to show otherwise

He didn't marry Margaret until 1877

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 26 May 2012 09:24

Probate of William's Will was granted to Robert Jackson Towne, gentleman, and Edmund Coslett Gimlett, wine merchant 18 Feb 1897

Effects £1739 19s 7d

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 26 May 2012 09:18

Marriages Mar 1877 (>99%)
Bridgeman Emily Jane L Highworth 5a 26
Gimlett William Highworth 5a 26 ****************
James Isaac Highworth 5a 26
Waters Margaret Highworth 5a 26 ***************


Marriages Sep 1851 (>99%)
Bedford William Abergavenny 26 9
Davies Margaret Abergavenny 26 9
Davies Mary Abergavenny 26 9
GIMBLETT William Abergavenny 26 9
GIMLETT William Abergavenny 26 9
JAMES Mary Abergavenny 26 9
Price Thomas Abergavenny 26 9
THOMAS James Abergavenny 26 9
Tiley Elizabeth Abergavenny 26 9

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 26 May 2012 09:16

1861

Name: Mary Gimlett
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Gimlett
Gender: Female
Where born: Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Bedwellty
Ecclesiastical parish: Tredegar
Town: Ebbw Vale
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Bedwelty
Sub-registration district: Tredegar
ED, institution, or vessel: 46
Household schedule number: 104
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4005
Folio: 26
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
William Gimlett 34
Mary Gimlett 30
John Gimlett 7
William Gimlett 4
Martha Gimlett 2
Sarah Gimlett 2/12
James Gimlett 69 Father, b. Pentyrch
Mary Thomas 17
James Thomas 23

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 26 May 2012 09:11

Name: Kate Coslett Gimlett
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1871
Registration district: Highwood
Inferred County: Wiltshire
Volume: 5a
Page: 14

1891
Name: Kate Gimlett
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Gimlett
Mother's Name: Margaret Gimlett
Gender: Female
Where born: Swindon, Wiltshire, England
Civil parish: Risca
Ecclesiastical parish: Risca
Town: Risca
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Newport
Sub-registration district: St Woollos
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4379
Folio: 166
Page Number: 31
Household Members:
Name Age
William Gimlett 64 born Ebbw Vale
Margaret Gimlett 62
Eliza Gimlett 26
Kate Gimlett 19

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 26 May 2012 09:10

Sonya

You gave no location info in your request - nor did you give any birth years.

For future reference, these pieces of info are vital

Vera2010

Vera2010 Report 25 May 2012 23:59

I wondered if Mary Gimlett was perhaps the sister of Robert J's first wife, Sarah. Sarah was born in Monmouthshire as were Mary, William and Sarah Ann. However, cannot find a marrisge for a William Gimlett and a Mary Jarrett
unless she was previously married..

On the 1851 census William aged 24 widowed is with father James also widowed lodging in Bedwelty. Following that marriage William marries Mary and then when she dies he marries Margaret. Kate is the daughter of William and wife Margaret. She was born in Swindon.

Vera

Sonya

Sonya Report 25 May 2012 21:35

Perhaps see who Rachel Joseph married..she was daughter of Thomas Joseph prior to marriage to Sarah Jarrett...1832 I think. If she married a Gimlett that would do it. Worth a shot.

patchem

patchem Report 25 May 2012 20:57

Do you know what happened to Rachel and John.
'Nephew' and 'niece' might be used to describe a very loose connection..
1841 Wales Census
Sarah Joseph
Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Female
Where born: Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil parish: Bedwelty
Hundred: Wentllooge (Lower Division)
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Registration district: Abergavenny Sub-registration district: Tredegar
Piece: 750 Book: 7 Folio: 42 Page Number: 1

Thomas Joseph 30
Sarah Joseph 20
Rachel Joseph 9
John Joseph 5 Mo

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 750; Book: 7; Civil Parish: Bedwelty; County: Monmouthshire; Enumeration District: 16; Folio: 42; Page: 1; Line: 11; GSU roll: 438846.

patchem

patchem Report 25 May 2012 20:18

Have you got all the marriage certificates for Fathers' names?

Added:
Marriages Mar 1840
JARRETT Sarah Abergavenny 26 48
JOSEHH Thomas Abergavenny 26 48

Sonya

Sonya Report 25 May 2012 20:16

Just a thought. I think.....the father of william , Sarah etc ..William gimlett lost his first wife Mary when he was 24 and childless. He remarried Margaret and she is actually the mother of these children. Sorry if this is a mess. sonya

patchem

patchem Report 25 May 2012 20:13

Either William Gimlett or Mary Gimlett is a brother or sister of Robert Towne or Mary Towne?

?
Marriages Sep 1851
Bedford William Abergavenny 26 9
Davies Margaret Abergavenny 26 9
Davies Mary Abergavenny 26 9
GIMBLETT William Abergavenny 26 9
GIMLETT William Abergavenny 26 9
JAMES Mary Abergavenny 26 9
Price Thomas Abergavenny 26 9
THOMAS James Abergavenny 26 9
Tiley Elizabeth Abergavenny 26 9

Sonya

Sonya Report 25 May 2012 20:07

I know they were siblings of second wife Sarah Ann Gimlett...but she and her sibling William were living with Robert J Towne and his first wife Sarah (born Jarrett then married Thomas Joseph1840 who died ) married Robert 1855. The niece then married Robert when his first wife died. I want to find how their father or mother is connected to Robert Towne to make them niece and nephew.!

patchem

patchem Report 25 May 2012 20:06

Nephew William from 1871 in 1861:
1861 Wales Census
William Gimlett
Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Gimlett
Mother's Name: Mary Gimlett
Gender: Male Where born: Ebbw Vale, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Bedwellty Ecclesiastical parish: Tredegar
Town: Ebbw Vale County/Island: Monmouthshire Country: Wales
Registration district: Bedwelty Sub-registration district: Tredegar
ED, institution, or vessel: 46 Household schedule number: 104 Piece: 4005 Folio: 26 Page Number: 14

William Gimlett 34
Mary Gimlett 30
John Gimlett 7
William Gimlett 4
Martha Gimlett 2
Sarah Gimlett 2/12
James Gimlett 69
Mary Thomas 17
James Thomas 23

Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 4005; Folio: 26; Page: 14; GSU roll: 543220.