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4 Jun 2012 11:33 |
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Coud you get some marriage and birth certificates so you know you have the correct family? You need them.
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ErikaH
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4 Jun 2012 11:27 |
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As you have mis-read the info posted - I copy here
Marriages Sep 1851 (>99%) Bedford William Abergavenny 26 9 Davies Margaret Abergavenny 26 9 Davies Mary Abergavenny 26 9 GIMBLETT William Abergavenny 26 9 GIMLETT William Abergavenny 26 9 JAMES Mary Abergavenny 26 9 Price Thomas Abergavenny 26 9 THOMAS James Abergavenny 26 9 Tiley Elizabeth Abergavenny 26 9
Are you certain that his wife was Mary Davies? Do you have anything to verify the assumption?
If you have - these might prove to be connected in some way
William Coslett Davies Apr-May-Jun 1873 Llandilofawr Carmarthenshire
Walter Coslett Davies Oct-Nov-Dec 1885 Pontypridd Glamorgan, Mid Glamorgan
William Coslett Davies Apr-May-Jun 1887 Llandilofawr Carmarthenshire View Record David Coslett Davies Apr-May-Jun 1894 Pontardawe Breconshire, Glamorgan
David Coslett Davies Apr-May-Jun 1897 Swansea Glamorgan, West Glamorgan View Record Rees Coslett Davies Oct-Nov-Dec 1898 Pontardawe Glamorganshire
Thomas Coslett Davies Apr-May-Jun 1900 Llanelly Carmarthenshire, Glamorgan View Record John Coslett Davies Jan-Feb-Mar 1905 Pontardawe Breconshire, Glamorgan
Rees Coslett Davies Jan-Feb-Mar 1908 Pontardawe Breconshire, Glamorgan
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ErikaH
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4 Jun 2012 11:18 |
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Check back on freebmd for possible records
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Sonya
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4 Jun 2012 11:15 |
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Thank you. So William Gimlett married Marry Davies 1855 and Margaret Waters 1877..majority of children from Mary. Thank you. I wonder where the Coslett middle name comes from for Edmund and Kate? Could it be their maternal Grandmothers name? sonya
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ErikaH
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1 Jun 2012 09:31 |
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A man may not marry his:
1 Mother 2 Daughter 3-4 Grandmother 5-6 Granddaughter 7 Sister 8-9 Half Sister 10 Mother-in-Law 11 Step-Daughter 12 Step-Mother 13 Daughter-in-Law 14-15 Step-Grandmother 16-17 Grandmother-in-Law 18-19 Step-Granddaughter 20-21 Granddaughter-in-Law 22-23 Aunt and Half Aunt 24-25 Niece and Half Niece
The above is the up-to-date version of the list - the earlier ones were much more wide-ranging.
For the full list(s), look at
http://www.genetic-genealogy.co.uk/Toc115570145.html
You may need to consider that these two children were in no way related to Towne - their descriptions as nephew and niece may simply have been terms of affection - in fact as he later married the girl, they couldn't have been related, unless he was a law-breaker
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patchem
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26 May 2012 09:44 |
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William Gimlett married 3 times: He was widowed in 1851, then Mary, then Margaret. This might not help in finding the connection, but you need to find all the marriages, siblings, parents, to see if there is a loose connection somewhere.
How can you be sure that the first marriage was childless - any children could be living with her parents in 1851? e.g. Births Jun 1847 GIMLETT William Abergavenny 26 18 GIMLETT William Abergavenny 26 48 Births Dec 1848 Gimlett Mary Ann Abergavenny 26 13 Births Dec 1850 GIMLET Eleanor Abergavenny 26 20
Because of the large number of deaths and remarriages I think you need a large sheet of paper and to work your way through all the permutations.
Just for reference: 1841 Wales Census James Gimlett Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796 Gender: Male Civil parish: Bedwelty Hundred: Wentllooge (Lower Division) County/Island: Monmouthshire Country: Wales Registration district: Abergavenny Sub-registration district: Tredegar Piece: 750 Book: 8 Folio: 27 Page Number: 19 James Gimlett 45 Martha Gimlett 45 Eliz Gimlett 15 Wm Gimlett 14 Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 750; Book: 8; Civil Parish: Bedwelty; County: Monmouthshire; Enumeration District: 18; Folio: 27; Page: 19; Line: 20; GSU roll: 438846.
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ErikaH
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26 May 2012 09:34 |
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You say that William's first marriage was 'childless' - the records appear to show otherwise
He didn't marry Margaret until 1877
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ErikaH
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26 May 2012 09:24 |
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Probate of William's Will was granted to Robert Jackson Towne, gentleman, and Edmund Coslett Gimlett, wine merchant 18 Feb 1897
Effects £1739 19s 7d
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ErikaH
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26 May 2012 09:18 |
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Marriages Mar 1877 (>99%) Bridgeman Emily Jane L Highworth 5a 26 Gimlett William Highworth 5a 26 **************** James Isaac Highworth 5a 26 Waters Margaret Highworth 5a 26 ***************
Marriages Sep 1851 (>99%) Bedford William Abergavenny 26 9 Davies Margaret Abergavenny 26 9 Davies Mary Abergavenny 26 9 GIMBLETT William Abergavenny 26 9 GIMLETT William Abergavenny 26 9 JAMES Mary Abergavenny 26 9 Price Thomas Abergavenny 26 9 THOMAS James Abergavenny 26 9 Tiley Elizabeth Abergavenny 26 9
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ErikaH
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26 May 2012 09:16 |
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1861
Name: Mary Gimlett Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: William Gimlett Gender: Female Where born: Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales Civil Parish or Township: Bedwellty Ecclesiastical parish: Tredegar Town: Ebbw Vale County/Island: Monmouthshire Country: Wales Street Address: View image Condition as to marriage: View image Education: View image Employment status: View image Occupation: View image Registration district: Bedwelty Sub-registration district: Tredegar ED, institution, or vessel: 46 Household schedule number: 104 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4005 Folio: 26 Page Number: 14 Household Members: Name Age William Gimlett 34 Mary Gimlett 30 John Gimlett 7 William Gimlett 4 Martha Gimlett 2 Sarah Gimlett 2/12 James Gimlett 69 Father, b. Pentyrch Mary Thomas 17 James Thomas 23
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ErikaH
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26 May 2012 09:11 |
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Name: Kate Coslett Gimlett Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1871 Registration district: Highwood Inferred County: Wiltshire Volume: 5a Page: 14
1891 Name: Kate Gimlett Age: 19 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: William Gimlett Mother's Name: Margaret Gimlett Gender: Female Where born: Swindon, Wiltshire, England Civil parish: Risca Ecclesiastical parish: Risca Town: Risca County/Island: Monmouthshire Country: Wales Street Address: View image Condition as to marriage: View image Education: View image Employment status: View image Occupation: View image Registration district: Newport Sub-registration district: St Woollos ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4379 Folio: 166 Page Number: 31 Household Members: Name Age William Gimlett 64 born Ebbw Vale Margaret Gimlett 62 Eliza Gimlett 26 Kate Gimlett 19
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26 May 2012 09:10 |
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Sonya
You gave no location info in your request - nor did you give any birth years.
For future reference, these pieces of info are vital
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Vera2010
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25 May 2012 23:59 |
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I wondered if Mary Gimlett was perhaps the sister of Robert J's first wife, Sarah. Sarah was born in Monmouthshire as were Mary, William and Sarah Ann. However, cannot find a marrisge for a William Gimlett and a Mary Jarrett unless she was previously married..
On the 1851 census William aged 24 widowed is with father James also widowed lodging in Bedwelty. Following that marriage William marries Mary and then when she dies he marries Margaret. Kate is the daughter of William and wife Margaret. She was born in Swindon.
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Sonya
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25 May 2012 21:35 |
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Perhaps see who Rachel Joseph married..she was daughter of Thomas Joseph prior to marriage to Sarah Jarrett...1832 I think. If she married a Gimlett that would do it. Worth a shot.
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patchem
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25 May 2012 20:57 |
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Do you know what happened to Rachel and John. 'Nephew' and 'niece' might be used to describe a very loose connection.. 1841 Wales Census Sarah Joseph Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821 Gender: Female Where born: Monmouthshire, Wales Civil parish: Bedwelty Hundred: Wentllooge (Lower Division) County/Island: Monmouthshire Registration district: Abergavenny Sub-registration district: Tredegar Piece: 750 Book: 7 Folio: 42 Page Number: 1
Thomas Joseph 30 Sarah Joseph 20 Rachel Joseph 9 John Joseph 5 Mo
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 750; Book: 7; Civil Parish: Bedwelty; County: Monmouthshire; Enumeration District: 16; Folio: 42; Page: 1; Line: 11; GSU roll: 438846.
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patchem
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25 May 2012 20:18 |
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Have you got all the marriage certificates for Fathers' names?
Added: Marriages Mar 1840 JARRETT Sarah Abergavenny 26 48 JOSEHH Thomas Abergavenny 26 48
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Sonya
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25 May 2012 20:16 |
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Just a thought. I think.....the father of william , Sarah etc ..William gimlett lost his first wife Mary when he was 24 and childless. He remarried Margaret and she is actually the mother of these children. Sorry if this is a mess. sonya
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patchem
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25 May 2012 20:13 |
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Either William Gimlett or Mary Gimlett is a brother or sister of Robert Towne or Mary Towne?
? Marriages Sep 1851 Bedford William Abergavenny 26 9 Davies Margaret Abergavenny 26 9 Davies Mary Abergavenny 26 9 GIMBLETT William Abergavenny 26 9 GIMLETT William Abergavenny 26 9 JAMES Mary Abergavenny 26 9 Price Thomas Abergavenny 26 9 THOMAS James Abergavenny 26 9 Tiley Elizabeth Abergavenny 26 9
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Sonya
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25 May 2012 20:07 |
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I know they were siblings of second wife Sarah Ann Gimlett...but she and her sibling William were living with Robert J Towne and his first wife Sarah (born Jarrett then married Thomas Joseph1840 who died ) married Robert 1855. The niece then married Robert when his first wife died. I want to find how their father or mother is connected to Robert Towne to make them niece and nephew.!
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25 May 2012 20:06 |
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Nephew William from 1871 in 1861: 1861 Wales Census William Gimlett Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857 Relation: Son Father's Name: William Gimlett Mother's Name: Mary Gimlett Gender: Male Where born: Ebbw Vale, Monmouthshire, Wales Civil Parish or Township: Bedwellty Ecclesiastical parish: Tredegar Town: Ebbw Vale County/Island: Monmouthshire Country: Wales Registration district: Bedwelty Sub-registration district: Tredegar ED, institution, or vessel: 46 Household schedule number: 104 Piece: 4005 Folio: 26 Page Number: 14
William Gimlett 34 Mary Gimlett 30 John Gimlett 7 William Gimlett 4 Martha Gimlett 2 Sarah Gimlett 2/12 James Gimlett 69 Mary Thomas 17 James Thomas 23
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 4005; Folio: 26; Page: 14; GSU roll: 543220.
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