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hi cheryl
thankyou very much your information it is correct. i cannot as yet though work out how elizabeth is neice to mary kilmer a little more searching to be had. i have nottingham cds (marriages) that go back before 1837 but no luck in finding one between mary and joseph.
thankyou sylvia for your help as well thomas leatherland did marry mary rodgers she died in 1847 dec and a son edwin was born in dec 1847 so i am presuming her death was due to his birth
thanks once again sharon

It looks as though Thomas Leatherland (b.ca1809) married Maria/Mary Baxter


"England, Marriages, 1538–1973 ," Thomas Leatherland, 1830

Groom's Name: Thomas Leatherland
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Bride's Name: Maria Baxter
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Marriage Date: 20 Sep 1830
Marriage Place: Radford,Nottingham,England
Groom's Father's Name:
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Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M04664-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 504529, 504530, 504531
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EDIT ..................... a Public Family Tree on ancestry has Mary Rodgers as Thomas Leatherland's wife and mother of Elizabeth b.ca 1840.




sylvia

Hi Sharon,

I have looked into your Elizabeth Leatherland, born about 1840 in Nottinghamshire. I am not sure if any of this info is helpful, but it may give you a few extra lines to research.

On the 1861 census, you said Elizabeth Leatherland was living with your Kilner/Kilmer family.

On the 1851 census, Elizabeth is living with different Aunt and Uncle - an Elizabeth (Leatherland) Bailey and William Bailey. The Aunt Elizabeth also has her mother living with them. The mother's name is Ester Leatherland, born about 1787 in Nottinghamshire.

On the 1841 census, Elizabeth Leatherland (b. about 1840) is living with her parents Thomas (b. 1809 Leicestershire) and Mary Leatherland. They are recorded incorrectly under the surname Southerland. (I looked up her siblings and she had brothers John (b. 1831),Thomas (b. 1838) and Joseph (b. 1846) all born in Nottinghamshire. The mother Mary dies sometime before 1851 (1847?). The father Thomas Leatherland's parents were Thomas Leatherland and Esther unknown.

I could find birth extracts for 7 children born to Thomas Leatherland & Esther. They were:
John & Sarah b. 1810 Leicestershire (twins?)
Elizabeth b. 1813 Nottinghamshire
Ann b. 1815 Nottinghamshire
William b. 1818 Nottinghamshire
George b. 1820 Nottinghamshire
Harriet b. 1822 Nottinghamshire (this extract is recorded under Litherland)
Selina b. 1824 Nottinghamshire

There is also their son Thomas, b. 1809 Leicestershire, but I could not find a birth extract for him.

I am not an expert in genealogy and the above information is just my speculation on who your Elizabeth Leatherland (b. 1841) may be. I just thought that sharing this information may be of some use to you.

Good luck,

Cheryl

Could they have been married BEFORE 1837??

The eldest child shown on the 1851 census was born ca 1837 ......... but he is only 14, and Mary is 46 while Joseph is 60 ................. which means they were quite old when they had John.

There could be older children who are not living at home by 1851



sylvia

sorry you were rather quick for me, taylor oh i wonder if she was married before she married joseph
thanks for your time marieceleste

Sharon, we might have crossed in our posts! See my note above about Mary possibly being a Taylor.

They may have married just before civil registration commenced in which case you would need parish records.

hi marieceleste
joseph born 1792 ireland mary 1805 nottingham what i am trying to find out is one of my ancesters elizabeth leatherland born 1840 is listed as niece to mary in the 1861 census and was trying to find if mary was a leatherland before marriage
i was hoping to find the marriage as i did not want if i could help it to spend £9.20 as i need 2 others certificates which are a bit more important at the moment and it starts getting rather expensive
thanks

According to the Kilner family tree on Ancestry, Mary's maiden name was Taylor but there are no marriage details given.

Is this them in 1851?

KILNER, Joseph Head Married M 60 1791 Framework Knitter Ireland
KILNER, Mary Wife Married F 46 1805 Lace Runner Nottinghamshire
KILNER, John Son M 14 1837 Whip Maker Nottinghamshire
KILNER, William Son M 11 1840 Scholar Nottinghamshire
KILNER, Anne Daughter F 7 1844 Scholar Nottinghamshire
KILNER, Emily Daughter F 2 1849 Nottinghamshire

Piece: 2132 Folio: 695 Page: 34
Registration District: 34
Civil Parish: St Mary

Address: 8, Wat Street, St Mary, Nottingham County: Nottinghamshire

Hi Sharon, could you give us some more info, like their birth years, occupation, where they were in 1841, etc?

Are there any birth registrations for their children? - certificates should give Mary's maiden name. Like this one:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Emily Kilner
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1848
Registration district: Nottingham
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 15
Page: 389

good evening
i was wondering if anyone could help i am looking for a marriage of joseph kilmer/kilner to a mary ? their first child was born in approx 1837 in nottingham .
i have notts marriage disc no sign on there i have looked on family search no luck there and freereg
joseph was from ireland and mary nottingham so i am presuming they married notts
any help or suggestions appreciated
sharon