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hi everyone,
just wondering if anyone can help me im hitting a brick wall, my grandads mother kathleen garland went to live with a family (edward kemp & ellen kemp), they didnt legally adopt her but she married under the kemp surname....her birth mother was called emily garland....i can only find edward & his wife ellen & their "visitor" kathleen garland on the 1911 census but cannot find edward & ellen anytime before that & kathleens mother emily garland completely baffles me as theres quite a few....greenwich, croydon & deptford are the areas im looking for:

kathleen rose garland was born in 1907 (ive got birth cert)
edward kemp gave away kathleen rose at her wedding in 1927 (ive got wedding cert) after that im stuck xxxxxxxxxxxx

I think this is Edward - occ. general dealer as in 1911

1901 England Census

Name: Edward Kemp
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Rhoda Kemp
Gender: Male
Where born: Deptford, Kent, England

Civil parish: Deptford St Paul
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: London

Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: Deptford Central

Edward Kemp 44
Rhoda Kemp 42

Scratch that! By co-incidence Rhoda's middle name is Ellen, but a different couple. But having said that, they are the same age as 1901! Same address though so def. them:

1911 England Census

Name: Edward Kemp
Age in 1911: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Brookland, Kent, England
Civil parish: Hanwell
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: 42 Grosvenor Road, Hanwell W
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Shop Assistant Provision
Registration district: Brentford
Registration District Number: 128
Sub-registration district: Hanwell

Edward Kemp 45
Rhoda Ellen Kemp 39
Frances M Kemp 10
Maud Winifred Kemp 8
Edward Henry Kemp 6
Alice Rose Kemp 3
Kathleen Ellen Kemp 1

I wonder if they are connected somehow though? There seem to be a few common names cropping up, same sort of area ans similar occupation for the 2 Edwards - in fact the same 1901 for this one and your Edward 1911.

Jan

I don't want to wander off on too much of a tangent, but searching for Ellen this one matches totally in 1901 - except for husband! Is there something 'interesting' going on in this family? Or am I just looking for a mystery!

1901 England Census

Name: Ellen Kemp
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas Kemp
Gender: Female
Where born: Lea Bridge, Essex, England

Civil parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: London

Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington, South-East

Thomas Kemp 30 Where born: Redhill, Surrey, England
Ellen Kemp 29
Clara Tinsley 22

this family is so complicated, ive got all the censuses but cannot make the connection: right will start from scratch here goes......my great nan (kathleen rose garland) is in the 1911 census as a visitor of edward kemp (1861 approx birth), ellen kemp (wife, 1872 approx birth), frederick kemp (nephew, 1892, approx birth) & kathleen rose garland, living in deptford, greenwich. theres quite a few edward kemps & yes ive found the wife rhoda aswell just not sure if this is who im looking for....edward ended up adopting kathleen (unofficially) & raising her as his own, he was alive in 1929 when kathleen got married (she married under the surname of kemp) & hes on her wedding cert as her father, im just stuck finding a paper trail after the 1911 census as kathleen was only 4yr old in 1911.....grrrrrrrr ist so annoying as we want to know how the kemps came to unofficially adopt kathleen & wat his connection to her birth mother emily garland was.....edward was rumoured in the family to have owned several houses but cant find no evidence of this its now startin 2 get on my nerves haha xx

oh & it was reported within the family that emily garland was a servant that had an affair with her master & got pregnant (not sure how true this is) xx

Is this Edward in1881 ? (already a widower )


James KEMP Head M Male 30 Greenwich Bottle Merchant (Glass Dlr)
Ellen KEMP Wife M Female 29 Devon, England
Sarah KEMP Daur U Female 2 Greenwich
James KEMP Son Male 9 m Greenwich
Edward KEMP Brother W Male 25 Greenwich Labourer
Alfred KEMP Brother U Male 15 Greenwich Labourer
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Dwelling 10 Bridge St
Census Place Greenwich, Kent, England

Is there an address on the birth cert?
Jan

jan the address is 89 central hill upper norwood north croydon...........mike i have that census but not sure if its him i think it is tho xx

Address doesn't help - taken from 1911 census:

Rescue Society's Maternity Homes Reformatory, 89 Central Hill, Upper Norwood

Jan

is that a place where unwed moms go to have their babys?

Have you considered this one? She is living at Crooke Rd. This still exists, and looking at google map, it is just 1.7 miles from Brookmill Rd. Lewisham - not sure of London districts, but it isn't too far away.

1901 England Census

Name: Emily Garland
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Garland
Mother's Name: Margaret Garland
Gender: Female
Where born: Poplar, London, England

Civil parish: Deptford St Paul
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: Deptford, North

Thomas Garland 45
Margaret Garland 47
Sarah Garland 26
Richard Garland 20
Emily Garland 19
Florence Garland 11
Maud Garland 10
Frederick Garland 3
Richard Garland 35
Annie Garland 29
Richard Garland 4

?? same family in 1911 but no Emily

275 Lower Road, Rotherhithe

Thomas Rockliffe Garland 55 - - - retired policeman
Margaret Garland 57 ....... married 34yrs ...(10 children, 2 dies)
Frederick Alfred Epaphras Garland 13 -son
Ann Garland 83 - - - -mother, widow
Frances Elizabeth Garland 25 - daughter, single
Lilian Maud Garland 20 - daughter , single

yeh i have a copy of that aswell & it was the one i was drawn to the most, its just so confusing as edward kemp never formally adopted emilys daughter kathleen, i phoned the adoption agency & theres no record of her adoption, might just have to follow that trail & see what i come up with, would help if i got emilys birth cert.............thank you so much for your help i appreciate it lots xx

Adoption wasn't formalised till about 1927 - there would be no record anyway.
Jan

well her daughter was 4yrs old in 1911 & living with the kemp family so she probably moved on & got married xx

Hi Natasha Jane,
That's really strange, my g g grandfather was first married to a Garland & then a Kemp....do you have anyone with the name Farmer in you tree??? or any association with Lincolnshire??