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I can't find the Sarah Fish Voce born in 1894 on the 1901 or 1911 census!


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Births Mar 1916 (>99%)
Dale Benjamin A Hawkins Birmingham 6d 281

Hey Jude....i haven't bumped in to you for a while.

I hope all is well with you too. :-)

Prickles. x

Oh oh indeed Prickles (hope you are well). It's always sad when you find stories like this. When researching my hubby's family (for my daughters) I found that his maternal grandfather had been married before he married his grandmother. On paper they had had three sons (two of them twins) who were aged under six when wife number one died...at the same time as a baby daughter died. So putting the proverbial two and two together...she died in childbirth and the child died too..leaving him with three boys under six. When he remarried and had a second family there has been - to my knowledge - no mention of family number one. So I can only assume that he gave them up to his first wife's family as he could not cope on his own. So, Elizabeth, you have to understand that in those times - it ties in with the same time of my story - that a man left with a child after his wife died would probably have no way of keeping the child. There was no social security in those days so he had to earn a living and he couldn't do both :-(

Oh oh!!

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Joan Skinner
Name: Joan Skinner
Birth Date: abt 1919
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1919
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: Nottingham
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 330

It seems Lottie had a Sister.....

Births Dec 1919 (>99%)
Skinner Joan Voce Nottingham 7b 786

Both the death of Sarah (Mother) and the birth of Joan was in the same quarter....maybe Sarah died in childbirth.

Elizabeth,

At the time of the 1921 census Lottie would be almost 4 years old and may indeed appear on the census record. As Jan has advised however this will not be available to the public until at least 2021 unless there is a change in the law.

Apart from school registers the earliest "Official" document she is likely to appear on would be an election roll in 1938. Unfortunately from that year onwards and for the duration of WW2 no electoral registers were compiled so the 1944 marriage certificate will probably be the only one to be able to give you a clue as to where she was living at the time.

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Sarah F Skinner
Name: Sarah F Skinner
Birth Date: abt 1894
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1919
Age at Death: 25
Registration district: Nottingham
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 332

There was a census 1921 but this will not be available until 2021. So you mean you just do not know where she was? There is no way to know apart from relevant marriage/birth/death certs in between the census returns. If these provide an address, it can be searched on the electoral registers, but will only show people of voting age.
Jan

Elizabeth, there is no 1922 census. However, it looks like Jonesey has added her marriage info.

If you got copies of the certificates it may give you some further clues.

Elizabeth,

There was no census in 1922.

no one in the familey had any idea about her were could she be in the 1922 ceneus

Elizabeth - what do you mean by "Lottie did not exist"?

many thanks

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Births Mar 1894 (>99%)
Voce Sarah Fish Nottingham 7b 374

lottie did not exist after her mother died in 1919 frederick married her sister charlotte

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Births Jun 1917
Skinner Lottie D Voce Nottingham 7b 608

Marriages Sep 1916
Skinner Frederick A Voce Nottingham 7b 763
Voce Sarah F Skinner Nottingham 7b 763

Marriages Sep 1944
DALE Benjamin A Skinner Birmingham 6d 234
SKINNER Lottie D Dale Birmingham 6d 234

And unfortunately maybe:

Name: Lottie Doreen Dale
Birth Date: 15 May 1917
Date of Registration: Nov 1998
Age at Death: 81
Registration district: Cheltenham
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Register Number: A54D
District and Subdistrict: 4791A
Entry number: 29

hello i am looking for a nicholas b dale born in birmingham in 1954 to help me trace his mother lottie skinner bornc1916 nottingham thanks