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How very sad Carolyn, we don't realise how lucky most of us are nowadays until we see what many of our ancestors suffered !

I am still looking around but have not come up with anything new yet.

Judging by what happened to Alice, I suspect a similar fate befell Ellen.

I do think that 'George' is the key to unravelling Sarah's past but I can't seem to pin them down anywhere :-(

I will keep at it.......

Dea x

Alice sailed on 'Pleione' from London[?] 22 August 1880 arrived in New Zealand 28 November 1880. She was referred to as a Vogel assisted immigrant and her nominee was listed as George Gilbert [on the form as her 'uncle' but family info says he wasn't related] occupation Painter/Decorator of Greytown, New Zealand [he and his wife originally from Birmingham] and Sarah Nottingham -address 402 Nechells Park Rd, Nechells Green, Birmingham -was listed also as 'mother'.
Alice had a horrible time once she arrived in N.Z - she was taken by horse back over the mountains to a small forest settlement miles from anywhere - Kumeroa- of Scandinavian emigrants who were felling trees in the 40 Mile Bush area and had to share a bed with the 4 children of her 'uncle' and 'aunty' Gilbert. They 'arranged' for her to marry one of the Scandinavian forest workers [Thorkel Hansen] who was a friend of theirs - money was exchanged- and this all happened within 6 months of her arrival.It was not a happy marriage -after 12 years and 5 children she eventually left her husband who was in prison at the time for 'spousal battery and unable to provide for the family/debts etc] -the older three children were farmed out to work for their living & the younger children were put into residential care.
Family history says another sister [Ellen?] was also forced to marry but whether in NZ or England I have no knowledge. :-(

Carolyn,

What other information does it show on Alice's immigration form please?
Do you know which part of NZ she settled in?

Do you know what became of Alice's sister Ellen? - Do you think she may also have been sent over there?

Do you know anything of Alice's life in NZ? Who did she marry etc?

Dea x

OOOps - I meant to say also Carolyn that you have marked a tick on my post above which I presume you meant to show that you had answered it.

This is a 'silly' system used by the site as what this actually means is that you have now marked your whole thread as 'answered' so people will think that you have your info and do not need any further help so will not look at your query.

Can you please go back and 'untick' my message so that people will know that more help is required.

Dea Xxx

Hi Carolyn,

I thought you had the census's showing George William (known as William) and Sarah's children but it looks like you may not so I will post them below.

Does the Alice on there match the info you have on your great grandmother?

1871 England Census
about Sarah Nottingham Name: Sarah Nottingham
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Nottingham
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
Town: Duddeston cum Nechells
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Duddeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Household schedule number: 259
Piece: 3150
Folio: 84
Page Number: 47
Household Members: Name Age
William Nottingham 36 House Painter
Sarah Nottingham 32
Ellen Nottingham 12
Alice Nottingham 7
Thomas Nottingham 5
Frederick Nottingham 2
Albert Nottingham 3 Months
George Mills 17 'uncle' Brass worker.

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3150; Folio: 84; Page: 47; GSU roll: 839233.

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1881 England Census
about Sarah Nottingham Name: Sarah Nottingham
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Nottingham
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Aston
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address: Nechells Park Rd Court 5 House 1
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Duddeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 51
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3035
Folio: 73
Page Number: 49
Household Members: Name Age
William Nottingham 45 Painter
Sarah Nottingham 43
Thomas Nottingham 14
Ann Nottingham 10
Albert Nottingham 11
George Mills 24 - wife's brother, tin plate worker

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3035; Folio: 73; Page: 49; GSU roll: 1341725.


What do you want us to try to follow from here?

Dea x

A little back story in regard Sarah Ann Nottingham nee Mills - she may have had a daughter or two.
My great grandmother Alice Nottingham was sent to New Zealand at age 16 and the name of her mother on the immigration form is Sarah Nottingham nee Mills.
I wonder why a mother would send her 16 year old daughter to the other side of the world on her own? The names of Alice's children when she married - following family tradition?? - were William, Mary, Thomas, Alice & Sarah Ann & Ellen.
I can add so little general information to help this thread but I would really like to know more about Sarah - her parents, brothers & sisters. Her children also - was she the mother of my great grandmother ??

Thank you very much Dea, Catherine, Prickly Holly, Janet-
I am thrilled and astounded at the information you have found.
I find it difficult researching without help from kind people such as yourselves.
I am wondering in the Census that states George Mills as 'uncle' whether he was Sarah's fathers brother?? Just a random thought....
And in the 1881 Census if he was listed as 'brother in law' then he would be 'brother in law' to head of the household William Nottingham and Sarah's brother -but as you say there is quite a gap between her and her brother in age - ooh it is too confusing!
Very excited to see marriage #2 -Sarah seems to be in the habit of outliving her husbands, doesn't she.
I wonder whether she had children by her marriage to William?
:-)

I think this is 'George William''s death:

Deaths Mar 1892 (>99%)
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Nottingham William 56 Aston 6d 240



I also 'think' that Sarah may have married again?

I found this marriage and, following it onto the 1901, she could have married either of them?

My 'guess' is Edward Pratt, but I need to find the rest of the family!........ dratt !

Marriages Dec 1893 (>99%)
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Davenport James Aston 6d 557
James Sarah Aston 6d 557
Nottingham Sarah Aston 6d 557
Pratt Edward Aston 6d 557

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?? 1901:
DAVENPORT, James Head Married M 72 1829 Tobacconist & Sweet Shop Foleshill Warwickshire
DAVENPORT, Sarah Wife Married F 60 1841 Birmingham Warwickshire
MONTGOMERY, Charles Boarder Single M 17 1884 Loader (Coal Mine) Coventry Warwickshire

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Piece:
2904 Folio:
60 Page:
21 Registration District:
Foleshill

Civil Parish:
Foleshill Municipal Borough:
Address:
Longford, Foleshill County:
Warwickshire



ALSO...........

PRATT, Edward Head Married M 67 1834 Railway Labourer Walton on Thames Surrey
PRATT, Sarah Wife Married F 64 1837 Birmingham Warwickshire
BARBER, Arthur Boarder Single M 26 1875 Corn Merchants Carter Aunsby Lincolnshire
RASTALL, George Willm Boarder Single M 28 1873 Labourer Rly Goods Dept Aunsby Lincolnshire

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Piece:
2873 Folio:
147 Page:
1 Registration District:
Aston

Civil Parish:
Aston Municipal Borough:
Address:
10, Railway Terrace, Aston County:
Warwickshire

.........

???????? 1911:
PRATT, Sarah Ann Head Widow F 72 1839 Old Age Pensioner Warwkshire Bham

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
18315 Reference:
RG14PN18315 RG78PN1102 RD385 SD4 ED46 SN94

Registration District:
Aston Sub District:
Aston Manor Enumeration District:
46 Parish:
Aston Manor

Address:
15 Lime Terrace Witton Road County:
Warwickshire


Unfortunately, none of this helps with finding her before the marrage in 1858 !

I will keep looking....................

Dea x

This is William in 1891 but I can't find the rest of the family:

NOTTINGHAM, William Pauper Married M 56 1835 Painter Birmingham Warwickshire

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Piece:
2427 Folio:
101 Page:
29 Registration District:
Aston

Civil Parish:
Aston Municipal Borough:
Address:
Aston, Erdington County:
Warwickshire

Dea x

He is down as "Brother in Law" on the 1881.

Quite a big age gap between him and Sarah though.

I think the census said that he was 'uncle' instead of brother in law so put a bit of doubt as to his relationship to Sarah-jl

OOOhhhhh - I have found a clue!

Later census show that Sarah had a brother called George born in either 1854 or 1857 (according to whichever census) he later worked as a brass worker or tin plate worker? Born in Aston, Warwickshire.

Dea x

Sarah Ann Mills ref 16 185 Aston Mar qtr 1838-jl

Shame record doesn't show father's names:-


Groom's Name:George William Nottingham
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:

Bride's Name:Sarah Ann Mills
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:

Marriage Date:16 Aug 1858
Marriage Place:Aston Juxta Birmingham,Warwick,England

Groom's Father's Name:
Groom's Mother's Name:

Bride's Father's Name:
Bride's Mother's Name:

Indexing Project (Batch) Number:M01168-5
System Origin:England-ODM
Source Film Number:0918846-848, 0918849-851

Welcome to the boards Carolyn.

A possibility...

??
1841 England Census
about Sarah Mills
Name: Sarah Mills
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Gender: Female
Where born: Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Aston
Hundred: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Deritend and Bordesley
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1148
Book: 4
Folio: 31
Page Number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
Saml Mills 43
Sarah Mills 43
Jno Mills 15
Geoe Mills 8
Susannah Mills 6
Sarah Mills 4

There are a few to choose from on 1851 but none who fit exactly with the date so I really think that the marriage cert is needed here, otherwise we could be following the wrong one!

My bet is on the one born 1837 who is working as a servant in Aston but there is no way to be sure of this without following her back and we would certainly need the father's name.

The witnesses on the cert might also help to confirm the facts.

Dea x

possible baptism????

Name:Sarah Ann Mills
Gender:Female
Baptism/Christening Date:31 Jul 1837
Baptism/Christening Place:SAINT PHILLIPS,BIRMINGHAM,WARWICK,ENGLAND
Birth Date:20 Feb 1837

Father's Name:William Mills
Mother's Name:Mary

Indexing Project (Batch) Number:C04179-5
System Origin:England-ODM
Source Film Number:813721, 813722, 813723

1861 England Census
about Sarah Nottingham Name: Sarah Nottingham
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Nottingham
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England


Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Duddeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 49
Piece: 2176
Folio: 8
Page Number: 10
Household Members: Name Age
William Nottingham 25 Painter
Sarah Nottingham 22


Source Citation: Class: RG 9; Piece: 2176; Folio: 8; Page: 10; GSU roll: 542930.

Both born Birmingham !

Dea x

As a starting point, this looks like the marriage?:

Marriages Sep 1858
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Crow Maria Aston 6d 292
Johnson George Aston 6d 292
Mills Sarah Ann Aston 6d 292
Nottingham George William Aston 6d 292

Dea x

I am seeking information in regard Sarah Nottingham nee Mills. She appears in Census records from 1861 in Aston, Birmingham. I would like to find out where she was born, her parents names and if she had any siblings. I would be very grateful for any help at all.
:-)