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I am trying to find the birth and marriage of my half-cousin, Dinah Bartholomew. I have the births of all her siblings, (9). but Dinah was one of the only two I actually remember visiting. Her husband was called Ted (Edward?) and they lived in Warrior Road, Camberwell.

Her parents also lived in Warrior Road. as did another half aunt and her family. It seems very strange to me that I have found all the others but not Dinah. I have looked for variations of the name but without any luck. Her siblings were born between 1904 and 1925 , and there is a five year gap between Dora (Dorothy) 1920, and Irene, 1925, who married Henry Gilbert.

If anyone is able to help me I should be very grateful. I feel as if I'm going round in circles :-S

Thank you
Pauline Denmark nee Clarke

Hello Pauline, where have you been looking for birth records.

Is Dinah still alive?

Have you found her marriage record? If so, what did it give as her surname?

MarieCeleste, Pauline is looking for the birth and marriage for Dinah.

It looks as though the parents of the elusive Dinah were Harry Bartholomew and Minnie Mary E Greenslade

In 1911 they have children
Rosie aged 7
Harry aged 2
Alfred aged 1
And a widowed lodger named Emma Dalton aged 69
All living in Warrior Road, Camberwell

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Harry Bartholomew
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Spouse Name: Minnie Mary Elizabeth Greenslade
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 7 Oct 1906
Parish: Walworth St Peter
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Charles Thomas Bartholomew
Spouse Father Name: Frederic George Greenslade
Register Type: Parish Register

Yes, I do see that Pauline's looking for the marriage record.

What I should have asked was if she knew what Dinah's married name was. That might then help track back.

Thank you everyone who has tried to help. Unfortunately, I don't remember, or maybe never knew the surname of Dinah's husband. I just know he was called Ted, which I presume would be Edward/edwin though I guess it could also have been Theodore. Perhaps Dinah wasn't her name at all - she had a brother called Harry, and he was always known as Abbie! I am in contact with another cousin who is now 90, and she is trying to help me.

If anyone can think of an alternative to Dinah (I have tried Dina, Diana, Diane) I'll have another go!

Happy Hunting everyone
Pauline Denmark nee Clarke

When did you visit them ? where they elderley then ??

wonder on this one

Name: Josephine A Bartholomew
Spouse Surname: Ockwell
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1935
Registration district: Camberwell
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 2100
Find Spouse: Edward G Ockwell

before the maiden name was shown on the GRO record

Name: Josephine A Bartholomew
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1911
Registration district: Hackney
Inferred County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 400

Just putting in this info in case it rings a bell:
In 1945 at 44 Warrior Rd living with Harry and Minnie are Dora M and Gladys A (Bartholomew).

By 1948 at same address with Harry and Minnie are Dora M and Douglas W White and Edward H and Gladys A Gravestock. The Gravestocks are there with Minnie up until at least 1961.

I think this is them:
Marriages Sep 1947 (>99%)
Bartholomew Amelia G Gravestock Camberwell 5c 620
Gravestock Herbert E S Bartholomew Camberwell 5c 620

Maureen

Thank you for these additional details. When I visited they weren't elderly - at a guess I would say late 20s/early 30s, but at my age everyone seemed old! Amelia was another of Harry and Minnie Mary's children, and she was married to Herbert Gravestock. It does seem quite possible that Gladys A was the one I knew as Dinah, so I will pursue that one for now. I don't think that any of our family, close or extended, lived in Hackney, so though I am tempted by the name Josephine (one of my sisters is called Josephine) I think it may be a red herring. Warrior Road is the right location - Auntie Min & Uncle Harry, Dinah & Ted and Aunt Francis & Uncle Bill and their family - all lived in Warrior Road. So, back into the fray to check out Gladys!

Thanks again all of you, for your help.

Pauline

Er-Pauline-I think Amelia and Gladys are the same person! She just liked changing her forenames around,I think!

Maureen

Theres no birth for a Gladys A so could she be in fact Amelia Gladys ?? and her hubby was Herbert Edward but known as Edward.

not unusual for people to be known by their second names


She may not have liked either name so was known as Dinah

she was Amelia Gladys

ame: Amelia Gladys Gravestock
Birth Date: 1912
Date of Registration: Feb 1997
Age at Death: 85
Registration district: Southwark
Inferred County: London
Register Number: B11A
District and Subdistrict: 2511B
Entry number: 186

they did like to change the names around !!!this is Herbert/Edward

Births Mar 1916
Gravestock Edward H S mmn Kifford Southwark 1d 30


so looks like he was Edward Herbert S

and a possible death
Name: Edward Herbert Gravestock
Birth Date: 20 Dec 1915
Date of Registration: Mar 1989
Age at Death: 73
Registration district: Sutton
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 15
Page: 512

Wow, you must all be burning up the information highway! Yes, Gladys is/was Amelia as well, properly Amelia Gladys but who knows what she answered to and yes, her husband was Edward Herbert Gravestock, but not the Ted I'm looking for. Our maternal grandmother had a sister Amelia, so that is where the name came from, but Dinah was married to a Ted. I've also tried the Josephines and also Alice, which was the name of my mother's sister, born in 1900 and died in 1901 - my Mother was born in 1905 (and they were Mountcastles!) SO I'm still stuck on Dinah alias ?.

None of this really surprises me, as they were nearly all called by names other than the ones they were given at birth! Harry known as Abbie, Irene as Rene, Dorothy as Dora and Frances as Fran. No wonder they drive us round the bend looking for them.........

However, none of that detracts from the kindness you have shown me in trying to help. I think Dinah may well have to go on the back burner for now, whilst I pursue other elusive relatives.

With thanks again to all,
Pauline