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Sammy79
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27 Apr 2012 14:40 |
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Hi all
could anyone please help me??
My great grandparents were Samuel Morris born 1876 and die 25/11/1957 and Eliza-annie Griffith born 1879 and died in 1952. Samuels father was Samuel Morris born 1856 and his mother was Sarah surname unknown she was born in 1856 also, i cant seem to find her surname also anyother info abt them i keep coming to a died end, and cant see where iam going wrong.
Can anyone please help??
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GlitterBaby
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27 Apr 2012 14:41 |
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What census info and certs do you already have ?
Location would be useful
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Sammy79
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27 Apr 2012 14:43 |
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It was the 1911 cencus and they were from the Barton, Salford area but unknown if that was where they were born
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Dea
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27 Apr 2012 14:44 |
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For reference - to start us off:
Marriages Jun 1900
Brickley Margaret Wellington, Sh. 6a 1717
Griffiths Eliza Annie Wellington Sh. 6a 1717
Jones Edwin Wellington, Sh. 6a 1717
Morris Samuel Wellington, Sh. 6a 1717
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Sammy79
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27 Apr 2012 14:44 |
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I have sent off for samuel Morris 1876 birth cert just waitin for it to arrive
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Sammy79
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27 Apr 2012 14:47 |
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So this means they were married in wellington??
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Dea
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27 Apr 2012 14:50 |
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1911:
MORRIS, Samuel Head Married M 34 1877 Engineers Labourer Shropshire Coalbrookdale VIEW
MORRIS, Annie Wife Married 10 years F 32 1879 Wellington Salop Coalbrookdale VIEW
MORRIS, Ethel Daughter Single F 9 1902 Coalbrookdale Shropshire VIEW
MORRIS, Lavina Daughter Single F 7 1904 Coalbrookdale Shropshire VIEW
MORRIS, Dennis John Son Single M 6 1905 Coalbrookdale Shropshire VIEW
MORRIS, Gertie Daughter Single F 2 1909 Lancs Patricroft Nr M/c VIEW
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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
23605 Reference:
RG14PN23605 RG78PN1375 RD463 SD2 ED22 SN303
Registration District:
Barton upon Irwell Sub District:
Barton Enumeration District:
22 Parish:
Eccles
Address:
6 Green Street Patricroft County:
Lancashire
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KathleenBell
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27 Apr 2012 14:56 |
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Are you sure of Samuel's parent's birth years? This looks like the family in the 1891 census (although this would mean Samuel jnr. was not born in Salford):-
1891 census transcription details for: Main Road, Madeley, Coalbrookdale, Wenlock
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12 Piece: 2099 Folio: 38 Page: 7
Reg. District: Madeley Sub District: Dawley
Parish: Madeley Enum. District: 4
Ecclesiastical District: Coalbrookdale City/Municipal Borough: Wenlock
Address: Main Road, Madeley, Coalbrookdale, Wenlock
County: Shropshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
MORRIS, Samuel Head Married M 56 1835 Labourer
Coalbrookdale
Shropshire
MORRIS, Sarah A Wife Married F 55 1836 Office Cleaner
Madeley
Shropshire
Wood
MORRIS, Samuel Son Single M 15 1876 Moulder
Coalbrookdale
Shropshire
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Choccy
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27 Apr 2012 14:57 |
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1901
MORRIS, Samuel Head Married M 25 1876 Iron Moulder
C B Dale
Salop VIEW
MORRIS, Annie Wife Married F 22 1879
Ketley
Salop VIEW
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Piece:
2526 Folio:
32 Page:
11 Registration District:
Madeley
Civil Parish:
Madeley Municipal Borough:
Address:
Woodside, Madeley County:
Shropshire
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KathleenBell
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27 Apr 2012 14:58 |
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The above census could mean that this was the parent's marriage (right registration district):-
Name: MORRIS, Samuel
Registration district: Madeley
County: Shropshire
Year of registration: 1859
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 6A
Page no: 1000
MarriageFinder: Samuel Morris married one of the following people:
HILES, Lucy
TRANTER, Sarah<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
WARD, Eliza
BROWN, John
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Sammy79
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27 Apr 2012 15:01 |
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Thank you Dea,
I am awaiting his Birth cert but is there any way i can find his birth date b4 hand???
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Choccy
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27 Apr 2012 15:01 |
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1881
MORRISS, Samuel Head Married M 46 1835 Iron Moulder
Madely Parish
Shropshire VIEW
MORRISS, Sarah Wife Married F 45 1836
Madely Parish
Shropshire VIEW
MORRISS, John Son Single M 21 1860 Packer In Ironworks
Madely Parish
Shropshire VIEW
MORRISS, Nelley Daughter Single F 9 1872 Scholar
Madely Parish
Shropshire VIEW
MORRISS, Sarah Daughter Single F 7 1874 Scholar
Madely Parish
Shropshire VIEW
>>>>>MORRISS, Samuel Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar
Madely Parish
Shropshire VIEW
MORRISS, Emma Daughter Single F 5 1876 Scholar
Madely Parish
Shropshire VIEW
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Piece:
2637 Folio:
66 Page:
12 Registration District:
Madeley
Civil Parish:
Madeley Municipal Borough:
Address:
Upper Forge, Madeley County:
Shropshire
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Sammy79
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27 Apr 2012 15:05 |
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Iam 100% on when he died but his birth year is a rough guess from the info on his grave
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Sammy79
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27 Apr 2012 15:06 |
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As for the dates for Samuels parents im not 100%
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27 Apr 2012 15:11 |
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1861
Name: Samuel Morris
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah A Morris
Gender: Male
Where born: Madeley, Shropshire, England
Civil parish: Madeley
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage: View image
Registration district: Madeley
Sub-registration district: Madeley
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 31
Piece: 1857
Folio: 73
Page Number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Morris 26 Iron Moulder
Sarah A Morris 24
Jane Morris 5
John Morris 1
1851
Name: Samuel Morris
Age: 59
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1792
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Martha Morris
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Madeley, Shropshire, England
Civil parish: Madeley
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Registration district: Madeley
Sub-registration district: Madeley
ED, institution, or vessel: 3c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 64
Piece: 1989
Folio: 101
Page Number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Morris 59 Moulder
Martha Morris 48
William Morris 18 Moulder
Samuel Morris 16
Sarah Ann Morris12
Mary Morris 8
Eliza Morris 5
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Sammy79
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27 Apr 2012 15:14 |
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Thank you
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27 Apr 2012 15:19 |
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1851
Name: Sarah Tranter
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Tranter
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Tranter
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Madeley, Shropshire, England
Civil parish: Madeley
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Registration district: Madeley
Sub-registration district: Madeley
ED, institution, or vessel: 3h
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 60
Piece: 1989
Folio: 205
Page Number: 19
Household Members: Name Age
John Tranter 58 Collier
Elizabeth Tranter 55
John Tranter 20
Sarah Tranter 15
Betsey Tranter 12
Benjamin Tranter 8
1841
Name: Sarah Tranter
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Gender: Female
Where born: Shropshire, England
Civil parish: Madeley
Hundred: Wenlock (Shrewsbury Liberties)
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Madeley
Sub-registration district: Madeley
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 928
Book: 13
Folio: 10
Page Number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
John Tranter 40
Elizabeth Tranter 36
William Tranter 21
James Tranter 18
John Tranter 13
Sarah Tranter 4
Elizabeth Tranter 2
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Sammy79
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30 Apr 2012 13:50 |
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In the 1851 census its got Sarah Tranter having a older brother John and a younger sister Betsey and younger brother Benjamin BUT in the 1841 census its got Sarah Tranter having 3 older brothers William, James and John and a younger sister Elizabeth.....i dont understand ????????????????????????????????
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Sammy79
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30 Apr 2012 14:19 |
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Can anyone please help?????
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