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Name: Joseph Palmer
Spouse Name: Eliza Ann Sterne
Record Type: Banns
Event Date: 1 Oct 1865
Parish: Newington St Mary
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Register

(Banns, does say Josiah on image, called 17th, 24th, Sept, 1st Oct)

Chris :)

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Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1865 (>99%)
Hyrons Charles Matthew Newington 1d 295
Palmer Josiah Newington 1d 295
STERNE Eliza Ann Newington 1d 295
West Harriette Newington 1d 295

Good find Chris :-)

Name: Josiah Palmer
Age: Full Age
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Spouse Name: Eliza Ann Sterne
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 12 Nov 1865
Parish: Newington St Mary
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: John Palmer (Labourer)
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Sterne (Leather Seller)
Register Type: Parish Register

(an idea, Occ. of Josiah says Furniture Porter, address for both, Trafalgar Street, witnesses, Thomas Sterne, Susannah Simpson)

Chris :)

I reckon this is her death...so she's about in 1911 if this is her but it won't necessarily show length married because she is widowed

Name: Eliza A Palmer
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1914
Age at Death: 68
Registration district: Lambeth
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 395 (click to see others on page)

snap Jude

Here's Elizabeth in 1901..and she's taken (in 1891 and 1901) to being Eliza A

Name: Lawrence E Palmer
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Eliza A Palmer
Gender: Male
Where born: Penge, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Beckenham
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Beckenham
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Bromley
Sub-registration district: Beckenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 64
Piece: 689
Folio: 103
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
Eliza A Palmer 54
Walter E Palmer 25
Lawrence E Palmer 14

HeyJude

Deaths Mar 1893
Palmer Josiah 51 Croydon 2a 152


and cannot find Eliza after 1891

Thanks

I reckon this is why you can't find Josiah in 1911 (or 1901 come to that)

Name: Josiah Palmer
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1893
Age at Death: 51
Registration district: Croydon
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 152 (click to see others on page)

HeyJude ..................Yes I saw those ---- Arthur Charles and C s - I discounted as 1911 says says Arthur T --------his marriage entry gives Thomas Arthur .....

I agree the Arthur T does look the best --- BUT Rotherhithe does not cover Walworth .... so he is my first reserve ...................


And had no joy with 1911

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Possible births

Births Mar 1865 (>99%)
PALMER Arthur Charles St. George S. 1d 168
Births Jun 1866 (>99%)
Palmer Arthur T Rotherhithe 1d 622
Births Sep 1866 (>99%)
PALMER Arthur C St Saviour 1d 17

Both St George and St Saviour are in Southwark which I think is the closest to Walworth

Have you managed to find Joseph/Josiah and/or Elizabeth in 1911 - that would give you the year they married

Jude

thanks Ann ............but is that not the ·same· as the 1881 census I posted


or am I having another senior moment

Arthur Palmer
England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1866 Walworth,? Surrey,? England
census: 1881 Penge,? Surrey,? England
parents: Josiah Palmer,? Elizabeth Palmer


name: Arthur Palmer
age: 15
gender: Male
birth year: 1866
birthplace: Walworth, Surrey, England
relationship to head of household: Son
marital condition: Single
profession/occupation: Errand Boy
address: 9 Southey Road
census place: Penge, Surrey, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341194
the national archives reference: RG11
piece/folio: 824 / 30
page number: 54

Ca someone please help -----

I just cannot find a marriage nor the birth of Arthur --- possible senior moment ¿


1871 census transcription details for: Croydon Rd, West Side Penge
Reference: RG number: RG10 Piece: 851 Folio: 56 Page: 6

Reg. District: Croydon Sub District: Croydon
Parish: Enum. District: 51
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:

Address: Croydon Rd, West Side, Penge
County: Surrey

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
________________________________________
PALMER, Joseph Head M 29 1842 Suffolk Wolpit
________________________________________
PALMER, Eliza H Wife F 25 1846 Surrey - Vauxhall
________________________________________
PALMER, Arthur Son M 5 1866 Surrey Walworth
________________________________________

and again i 1881

1881 census transcription details for: 9, Southey Road, Penge National Archive Reference: RG number: RG11 Piece: 824 Folio: 30 Page: 54

Reg. District: Croydon Sub District: Croydon
Parish: Penge Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:

Address: 9, Southey Road, Penge
County: Surrey

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
________________________________________
PALMER, Josiah Head Married M 39 1842 Potman Woolput
Suffolk
________________________________________
PALMER, Elizabeth Wife Married F 35 1846 London Vauxhall, London
Middlesex
________________________________________
PALMER, Arthur Son Single M 15 1866 Errand Boy Walworth
Surrey
________________________________________
PALMER, Ernest Son Single M 9 1872 Penge
Surrey
________________________________________
PALMER, Eleanor Daughter Single F 7 1874 Croydon
Surrey
________________________________________
PALMER, Edmund Son Single M 5 1876 Croydon
Surrey
________________________________________