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Could somebody please tell me what the London and Surrey, England, Marriage Bonds and Allegations, 1597-1921 is?

I have the following records about Frederick Charles Jordan and Anne Jane Bennett's marriage:


London and Surrey, England, Marriage Bonds and Allegations, 1597-1921 :

Name: Frederick Charles Jordan
Age: 21
Birth Year: abt 1869
Event Date: 5 Jun 1890
Parish: St Bride Fleet Street
County: London
Spouse's Name: Anne Jane Bennett
Spouse's Age: 21
Spouse's Parish: Fleet Street, St Bride
Event Type: Allegation
Reference Number: Ms 10091/267 Part 3



London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921about Frederick Charles Jordan
Name: Frederick Charles Jordan
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Spouse Name: Ann Jane Bennett
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 8 Jun 1890
Parish: St Bride Fleet Street
Borough: City of London
Father Name: Henry Jordan
Spouse Father Name: George Alfred Bennett
Register Type: Parish Register



Both have a different age in the two records but at 21 would have been of age.

The Bonds and Allegations record shows him swearing that there was no impediment to the marriage.

Many thanks

Liz
Australia

It looks the the banns to me, but cannot say I have come accross one before

Hi Jax - I thought of that but aren't bans called over three weeks? This was three days before the wedding. Maybe they told fibs because she was older than him!?

Liz

I can't copy the original but this is part of the content of The Allegation:

"make oath that there is no Impediment of Kindred or Alliance or any other lawful cause, nor any Suit commenced in any Ecclesastical Court to bar or hinder the Proceeding of the said Matrimony according to the tener of the Licence"

Also making oath that the address is the usual Place of Residence for 15 days past.

Any help?

Liz

They did not ask their ages just that they were full age thats why they both say 21 I guess?

There is another one on that page

London and Surrey, England, Marriage Bonds and Allegations, 1597-1921
about Herbert Frederick Jordan Name: Herbert Frederick Jordan
Age: 21
Birth Year: abt 1870
Event Date: 15 Jan 1891
Parish: Islington, St Mary
County: Middlesex
Spouse's Name: Hannah Elizabeth Jordan
Spouse's Age: 21
Spouse's Parish: Holy Trinily Clondesley Square
Event Type: Allegation
Reference Number: Ms 10091/268 PART 3

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Herbert Frederick Jordan Name: Herbert Frederick Jordan
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Spouse Name: Hannah Elizabeth Jordan
Spouse Age: 28
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 16 Jan 1891
Parish: Islington Holy Trinity
Borough: Islington
Father Name: Henry Jordan
Spouse Father Name: Robert Jordan
Register Type: Parish Register

As you can see the ages differ here aswell

Most of my ancestors married in Islington but cannot find Bonds and Allegations for them? Maybe someone will know the answer

Hi Jax

Both have the same father, Henry Jordan - was he the problem? Or was it perhaps the similarity of the grooms names and they wanted to check they weren't committing bigamy?

Anne Jane died in 1900 and Frederick remarried in 1911 to Kate Pearce, whose first husband seemed to disappear - no DOD found for him. I could understand her having to swear an allegation "that there was no impediment" but Frederick was a bit young at 21 to have a past!

I'm also interested in Herbert Frederick Jordan marrying a Hannah Jordan, father Robert Jordan, as we have several relatives of that name.

In this game, you look for one thing and find many others to follow up!

Thanks

Liz :-S

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The most usual form of marriage is by banns read where the parties are usually resident. There must be three weeks when the banns are read out at the Sunday service before the marriage can go ahead, and if the parties are resident in different parishes, the banns must read in both parishes. The clergy need to confirm where the parties are resident before undertaking the reading of the banns, which are invitations for any member of the congregation to note whether there is an impediment to the marriage (for instance, a sailor's wife may have believed her husband drowned, leaving her free to remarry, but perhaps the sailor's mother was aware that he was still alive elsewhere - sorry, poor example, but the best I can think of quickly).

Sometimes - perhaps because the groom was going overseas shortly, or for privacy reasons - the parties might wish to use the alternative licence procedure. To obtain a licence, the parties had to swear an allegation that there was no impediment to the marriage; EDIT - re bond element - follow Chris' link below for a good explanation of this.

Example with explanation here...

http://www.york.ac.uk/media/library/documents/borthwick/5marriagebonds.pdf

Chris

Re the ages - looks like a database limitation problem to me.
Some databases won't let you record non-numeric ages, so when the age is just "full", the transcriber instructions will be to enter as "21", probably under the misapprehension that one had to be 21 to be of full age. In fact, married persons were also of full age, and consequently, a 12 year old widow would also be of full age.

Hi Ivy and Chris

Many thanks for the explanation. I hadn't come across an allegation and bond before - all my previous ancestors married by banns.

I would love to know why they married by licence (and from the look of it, a brother as well.) Still, supose you can't find EVERYTHING out! I'll check whether they are in the census or if they went overseas. Don't think there was a war at that time with the grooms being soldiers/sailors.

Very many thanks again for your help.

Liz

Hi mgnv

Thanks for the explanation of the ages. I have found marriage certificates with "full age" on which is most annoying when you want the age to check you have the correct person.

Thanks again

Liz

marriage bonds and allegations - coverage - banns as used today - contract of marriage - Marriage tax-for those with money - dower payment from brides father -ages of both parties - condition of groom ie, bachelor, apperntice bound to a master would need permission from his master - the cancelation of any previous or future contract concerning the marriage.
the documents were usualy signed after the calling of banns.
Due to the fact that some of these documents are on hand made paper and the fading of the ink used some of the writing is now difficult to read, and the low resolution used to electronicaly record the info reading every word on the downloads is impossible.
Ancestory have commited a serious fraud in claiming that you can download the documents. I digitally enhanced one for a friend.
Ancestory gave the name ANDREAN CHADMINE (allegations)
Enhanced name-------------ANDREW CHADWICK
Matches up with his wifes name MARGARET HUMPHRYES (allegations)
Sir CHADWICK (bonds}
MARGT HUMFREY (bonds)
Win some loose some,dont stop trying.
Sid

marriage bonds and allegations - coverage - banns as used today - contract of marriage - Marriage tax-for those with money - dower payment from brides father -ages of both parties - condition of groom ie, bachelor, apperntice bound to a master would need permission from his master - the cancelation of any previous or future contract concerning the marriage.
the documents were usualy signed after the calling of banns.
Due to the fact that some of these documents are on hand made paper and the fading of the ink used some of the writing is now difficult to read, and the low resolution used to electronicaly record the info reading every word on the downloads is impossible.
Ancestory have commited a serious fraud in claiming that you can download the documents. I digitally enhanced one for a friend.
Ancestory gave the name ANDREAN CHADMINE (allegations)
Enhanced name-------------ANDREW CHADWICK
Matches up with his wifes name MARGARET HUMPHRYES (allegations)
Sir CHADWICK (bonds}
MARGT HUMFREY (bonds)
Win some loose some,dont stop trying.
Sid