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Hi Everyone

I would just like to thank you all for your input. All the info found so far is relevant but part of what I already have through comprehensive research of my own. I have info about Jane until her death in 1888 and I have Richard's census information up to and including 1911. Ellen Jane Crowther was Jane and Richard's daughter, she married Charles Gladden Reeve in 1889. I have now found them on the censuses. The 1911 shows them living in Portsmouth, (her mother's family home) having been married for 21 years and they had no children. My research will now take another route.

Many thanks
Mary

So - all the info found appears to be relevant - some acknowledgment would be good

Please add it on here...........by using the 'add your reply' box, as we have done to post the info

From a pm from poster:

Janes name before Rowsell was Downer when she married my g/grandfather, but where or when my g/greatgrandfather died we don't know they were in India my g/grandfather was in the army but we don't know whern she became a widow but my grandfather was born in India in1857

Mary, this should have been added to the thread not just sent to me.

WILLIAM DOWNER Pedigree
Male

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Marriages:
Spouse: MARY ANN SMITH
Marriage: 04 JUL 1830 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire, England



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Batch No.: M062613

1841

Name: Jane Downer
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Gender: Female
Where born: Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Portsmouth Town
Hundred: Portsmouth Borough
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Registration district: Portsea Island
Sub-registration district: Portsmouth Town
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 412
Book: 3
Page Number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
William Downer 25
Mary Ann Downer 35
Mary Ann Downer 9
Jane Downer 8
William Downer 6
Elizabeth Downer 1

1841 England Census
about Jane Downer Name: Jane Downer
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Gender: Female
Where born: Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Portsmouth Town
Hundred: Portsmouth Borough
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Registration district: Portsea Island
Sub-registration district: Portsmouth Town
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 412
Book: 3
Page Number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
William Downer 25
Mary Ann Downer 35
Mary Ann Downer 9
Jane Downer 8
William Downer 6
Elizabeth Downer 1

1851 England Census
about Jane Rowsell Name: Jane Rowsell
[Jane Downer]
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Mary A Downer
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Portsmouth, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Portsmouth
Town: Portsmouth
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Registration district: Portsea Island
Sub-registration district: Portsea Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 57
Piece: 1658
Folio: 685
Page Number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
Mary A Downer 40
Mary A Downer 20
Jane Rowsell 18
Elizabeth Downer 10
Frances Downer 8
Ellen Downer 6
George Downer 4

1851

Name: Frances Downer
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Mary A Downer
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Portsmouth, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Portsmouth
Town: Portsmouth
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Registration district: Portsea Island
Sub-registration district: Portsea Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 57
Piece: 1658
Folio: 685
Page Number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
Mary A Downer 40
Mary A Downer 20
Jane Rowsell 18
Elizabeth Downer 10
Frances Downer 8
Ellen Downer 6
George Downer 4

From the same Batch - parents William & Mary Ann

Sarah Downer
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 26 Feb 1837 SAINT THOMAS,?PORTSMOUTH,?HAMPSHIRE,?ENGLAND
death: 03 Apr 1838


Frances Downer
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 29 May 1842 SAINT THOMAS,?PORTSMOUTH,?HAMPSHIRE,?ENGLAND


Mary Anne Downer
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 22 Jul 1831 SAINT THOMAS,?PORTSMOUTH,?HAMPSHIRE,?ENGLAND
parents: William Downer,? Mary

Elizabeth Hannah Downer
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 21 Jun 1840 SAINT THOMAS,?PORTSMOUTH,?HAMPSHIRE,?ENGLAND

William Andrew Downer
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 04 Jan 1835 SAINT THOMAS,?PORTSMOUTH,?HAMPSHIRE,?ENGLAND

Surely you must have the marriage certificate since you have the exact date and their ages? If so it must have her maiden name and father's name?

You could easily have found info by looking at the IGI.............

JANE ELIZA DOWNER
Christening: 08 SEP 1833 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth, Hampshire, :


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Parents:
Father: WILLIAM DOWNER
Mother: MARY ANN


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.


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Source Information:
Batch No.: C062514 1813 - 1840 0919727 Film 6901162 Film

Household Record 1881 British Census

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Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Richard CROWTHER Head M Male 41 Huddersfield, York, England Sergeant 35 Regt
Jane E. CROWTHER Wife M Female 40 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Sergeant Wife
Ellen J. CROWTHER Daur Female 10 Newcastle, Northumberland, England Sergeant Daur
Cecilia WILLIS Visitor U Female 20 Aldershot, Hampshire, England Dressmaker

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Source Information:
Institution "Chichester Barracks"
Census Place Subdeanery, Sussex, England



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Day:8

Month:Sep

Year:1833

Son/Daughter:Daughter

Forename:Jane Eliza

Surname:Downer

First Parent:William

Second Parent:Mary Ann

Notes:

Parish:Portsmouth St Thomas

County:Hampshire

Record source:Hampshire Baptisms

Data provider:Hampshire Genealogical Society

Transcriptions © Hampshire Genealogical Society

ellen jane from above census if that is them
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Name: CROWTHER, Ellen Jane

Registration district: [?] Newcastle upon Tyne

County: Northumberland

Year of registration: 1871

Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar

Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3

Volume no:[?] 10B

Page no:[?]72

Her father's details will be on her marriage cert, which you appear to have

there is a richard and eliza jane living in army barracks in 1871
Piece:
5089 Folio:
82 Page:
2 Registration District:
Newcastle upon Tyne

Civil Parish:
St Andrew Municipal Borough:
Newcastle on Tyne Address:
Barracks, St Andrew, Newcastle On Tyne County:

CROWTHER, Jane Eliza F 32 1839 Hampshire VIEW
CROWTHER, Ellen Jane F Northumberland
Household CROWTHER, Richard 1839 32 M Newcastle upon Tyne Northumberland
Northumberland

it is a huge document

Did you mean she was a widow when she married Richard Crowther? So Rowsell was not her maiden name?

My g'grandmother was Jane Eliza Rowsell and she married a Richard Crowther a private in the 35th regiment on April 14th 1869 when she had become a widow. Richard was29 yrs old and my g /grandmother was 36 years old, any help would be greatly appreciated to find any relatives.