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So - Sarah and Alice do not appear together - sorry that is what I meant! They are the same person, yes?
Don't worry, it's easily done.
Use of middle names was really common, as I know after searching long and hard for my grandmother's marriage - even my Dad thought her middle name was her first one!
Jan

1911 census transcription details for: 50 Rosendale Road Forest Gate E
RG14PN9569 RG78PN510A RD188 SD6 ED13 SN139

Reg. District: West Ham Sub District: North East Ham
CREEVY, Percy Charles Head Married M 34 1877 Salesman Wholesale Clothing Ladies Gents And Drapery Hackney
CREEVY, Phoebe Wife Married
7 years F 33 1878 Hackney
CREEVY, Phyllis Annie Daughter F 4 1907 Forest Gate
CREEVY, Stanley Charles Son M 1 1910 Forest Gate
................
England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005 about Phoebe R E Creevy
Name: Phoebe R E Creevy
Birth Date: abt 1877
Date of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1951
Age at Death: 74
Registration district: Essex South Western
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 5a
Page: 195
(Also listed as Eliza R Creevy)

Maureen

This will be the marriage of sister "Phoebe":(if the 1901 is the correct family!)
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Percy Charles Creevy
Name: Percy Charles Creevy
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Spouse Name: Rose Eliza Phebe Patrick
Spouse Age: 26
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 30 Jul 1904
Parish: Hackney St John
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: John Carpenter Creevy
Spouse Father Name: John Patrick
Register Type: Parish Register

(Her birth seems to be registered as Eliza Rose Patrick).

Maureen

Which census has them together Jo? Are you sure it isn't just your grandmother?
Still not sure where the Alice E comes in.
Jan

Wow, that was quick! Thank you all for your efforts.

Sarah A E Miller was my grandmother - Alice was her sister (found in the 1901 census)

The mistake in the 1911 census of calling Sarah A E, Alice,came as a result of my grandfather always referring to her as Ali (Alice) which was her middle name.

:-S :-S

so........... I am no further forward, but appreciate the efforts on my behalf :-D Thank you, Jo

The Phoebe Patrick who married Paul Berge had a father named Allan, not John



London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921


Name: Phoebe Patrick
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Spouse Name: Paul Berge
Spouse Age: 26
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 8 Sep 1912
Parish: Lambeth St John the Evangelist
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: Allan Patrick
Spouse Father Name: Gustave Berge
Register Type: Parish Register



Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint John The Evangelist, Lambeth, Register of marriages, P85/JNA3, Item 084.





1911

>>>>BERGE, Paul Head Single M 25 1886 Hairdresser Germany Resident VIEW
>>>>PAULRICH, Phoebe Housekeeper Single F 26 1885 Housekeeper Norfolk West Dercham VIEW
BURG, Freda Daughter F 2 1909 VIEW
BURG, Otto Son M 2 1909 VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
2078 Reference:
RG14PN2078 RG78PN72 RD25 SD4 ED29 SN139

Registration District:
Lambeth Sub District:
Brixton Enumeration District:
29 Parish:
Lambeth

Address:
70 Somerleyton Road Brixton S W County:
London




1901

>>>>PATRICK, Allan Head Widower M 49 1852 Horse Tender On Farm
West Dereham
Norfolk VIEW
PATRICK, James Son Single M 18 1883 Agricultural Labourer
West Dereham
Norfolk VIEW
>>>>PATRICK, Phoebe Daughter Single F 17 1884
West Dereham
Norfolk VIEW
PATRICK, Luceresa Daughter Single F 13 1888
West Dereham
Norfolk VIEW
PATRICK, George Son Single M 11 1890
West Dereham
Norfolk VIEW
PATRICK, Ellen E Daughter Single F 6 1895
West Dereham
Norfolk VIEW

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Piece:
1900 Folio:
88 Page:
9 Registration District:
Thetford

Civil Parish:
Northwold Municipal Borough:
Address:
Fenny Drove, Northwold, Whittington County:
Norfolk

tree on Ance***y has the family -


death of 'Alice'


Deaths Jun 1943 (>99%)
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Miller Sarah A E 62 Essex S. W. 4a 100

Name: Sarah A E Miller
Birth Date: abt 1881
Date of registration: Apr-May-Jun 1943
Age at Death: 62
Registration district: Essex South Western
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 100

1911 census - household transcription
Person: MILLER, Charles
Address: 27 Hassett Road Homerton N E


MILLER, Charles Head Married
7 years M 35 1876 Milk Carrier Hackney VIEW
MILLER, Alice Wife Married F 30 1881 Hackney VIEW
MILLER, Charles T Son M 5 1906 Hackney VIEW
MILLER, Lenard Son M 4 1907 Hackney VIEW
MILLER, Alfred Son M 0 (2 MONTHS) 1911 Hackney VIEW
CORYENS, Sarah Cousin Single F 65 1846 Cook Dorset N K VIEW

Well, I suspect this is the couple who married 1903.

Where did you get 'Alice E' from? I can't see it on census for this family.

1911 England Census

Name: Alice Miller
Age in 1911: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Civil parish: St John-at-Hackney
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 27 Hassett Road, Homerton N E
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Hackney

Charles Miller 35
Alice Miller 30
Charles S Miller 5
Leonard Miller 4
Alfred Miller 0
Sarah Cozens 68

Marriages Sep 1912 (>99%)
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Harvey John Patterson Lambeth 1d 695
Leonard Jane Ryan Lambeth 1d 695
Patrick Phoebe Berge Lambeth 1d 695
Patterson Elizabeth F Harvey Lambeth 1d 695
Ryan Herbert W Leonard Lambeth 1d 695

I now note you say 'possibly' married to Sawyer

Haven't you verified this?

1 Ballance Road -

1901

311 PATRICK, John Head Married M 52 1849 Carpenter
N K
Suffolk VIEW
311 PATRICK, Ellen Wife Married F 53 1848
Abbotsbury
Dorsetshire VIEW
311 PATRICK, Polly Daughter Single F 26 1875 Tailor's Shop Assistant
Hackney
London VIEW
311 PATRICK, Phoebe Daughter Single F 24 1877 Blouse Machinist
Hackney
London VIEW
311 PATRICK, Alice Daughter Single F 20 1881 Shirt Machinist
Hackney
London VIEW
311 PATRICK, Jim Son Single M 17 1884 Skirt Machinist
Hackney
London VIEW
311 PATRICK, George Son Single M 13 1888 Carpenter's Labourer
Hackney
London VIEW
311 PATRICK, Harry Son Single M 10 1891 Errand Boy
Hackney
London VIEW
311 COUSINS, Elizabeth Visitor Single F 58 1843
Abbotsbury
Dorsetshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
230 Folio:
149 Page:
43

Sub District:
South-East Hackney Enumeration District:
11 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Homerton St Luke

Municipal Borough:
Address:
1, Ballance Road, Hackney County:
London

??


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921


Name: Sarah Alice Patrick
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Spouse Name: Charles Henry Miller
Spouse Age: 28
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 10 Nov 1903
Parish: Hackney St John
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: John Patrick (Carpenter)
Spouse Father Name: Charles Miller
Register Type: Parish Register



Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint John At Hackney, Hackney, Register of marriages, P79/JN1, Item 100.


address of bride - 1 Ballance Road, Homerton

This is the marriage as per the OP's info


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Marriages Dec 1910 (>99%)
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Bryant May W.Ham 4a 56
Hinkes Leonard R S W.Ham 4a 56
Patrick Alice E W.Ham 4a 56
Sawyer Samuel W.Ham 4a 56

If so - but it might be nonsense obviously!:

Marriages Dec 1903 (>99%)
Jones Florence Clara Hackney 1b 792
Miller Charles Henry Hackney 1b 792
Patrick Sarah Alice E Hackney 1b 792
WALLS Henry Arthur Hackney 1b 792

After a sneak peek at census I see parents were Ellen and John - so is this her full name do you think?


Births Dec 1880 (>99%)
PATRICK Sarah Alice E Hackney 1b 523

Name: Sarah Alice Emily Patrick
Mother: Ellen Patrick
Father: John Patrick
Birth: abt 1883 - Homerton St Barnabas
Baptism: 30 Sep 1883 - Homerton St Barnabas

Jan

No record of the names on the FMP migration records

Hi,

Is there anyone, please, who could look at Passenger Lists for me to see if Alice E Patrick (possibly married (1910) to Samuel Sawyer) left the country bound for Australia? She may have travelled on the GEELONG with her sister, Phoebe Berge (nee Patrick) and family in 1913.

Thank you, Jo