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thanks Dea am having a bad pain day today and my brain isn't working lol of course she was alive in 1911 SORRY! xx

Thank you Dea,

I am wondering of they could have been abroad !!! I know John travelled later on --got him coming home ---but not sure about 1891 / 1901 census

Barbara x

I DO think Alice was still alive in 1911 as she was named as next of kin on son's army papers and these were dated 1915?

Dea x

It's difficult to say who lived there in '91 and '01 as there are no house numbers.

All the housed have names like Quarrington House and Radnor Lodge etc.

Dea x

alice may noy be alive in 1911??? who is at the address in 1891/01 please? also john was an engineer so his father may have been educated as well and had money? ( although this would be a 1st in my family lol)

The address is correct, as you spelled it Barbara.

I did an address search on 1911 and the house is there but Alice is not.

I suspect that Alice may have been in service there as it was quiite a 'posh' house with a couple of servants.

The occupiers were named Shaw - an elderly widow and 3 spinster daughters, all living on 'Private means'.

Dea x

Helen I have PM'd you the page with Alice's address on

Barbara x

EDIT

I could have done it the easy way !!!

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=1219&path=L.Le.Lee.6928

Please can anyone make out the address for Alice

Barbara x

I 'm still not finding him on census 91 /1901 :-(

Barbara x

Name: John Morton Lee
Residence: 11 Edric Road, New Cross S E
Document Year: 1915
Regimental Number: 2504
Regiment Name: London Divisional Engineers
Number of images: 19


http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=BritishArmyService%2c&rank=0&=%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c&gsfn=John+Morton&gsln=lee&sx=&gs1co=1%2cAll+Countries&gs1pl=1%2c+&year=&yearend=&sbo=1&sbor=&ufr=0&wp=4%3b_80000002%3b_80000003&srchb=r&prox=1&ti=5538&ti.si=0&gss=angs-d&pcat=39&fh=0&h=1139675&recoff=

Barbara x

ohhhh thanks barbara!! maybe an address search might help, if they are mistrancribed? or anyone with local knowledge may be able to confirm the name of the road?

many thanks Helenxx

ps can u list the ref for the army records please, i can't see him??? Hx

Hi Helen

Not finding him on census 91 / 1901

However on his Army Records it say
next of kin MOTHER Alice Lee, 59 Mayow ( not sure of the road name) Road, Forrest Hill

underneath it then says

Elizabeth Constance lee ---wife ---11 Edric Road

so if the next of kin is right then we are looking for him with mother named Alice on the 1891 / 1901 census

Will keep looking

Barbara x

nudge pretty please xx

HI all have found a probable birth for John snr
John Morton Lee June qtr 1887 croydon 2a 245
blowed if i can see him on the 1891 to find his parents?? anyone?
cheers Helenx

** edit have found him on the 1911 with his future sister and brother in law . doesn't help much but at least it's def him.
household of William Johnson and wife Blanche York ,sindal road london **

HI oh wow thanks everyone!! just what i needed! the 1918 is interesting as it is Johns mum in laws home, so 3 years after they married they are still living 'at home' will see if i can work out which children might be theirs now. thanks again Helenx

don't know if this is connected


Name: John Morton Lee
Electoral Year: 1918
Parliamentary Division: Deptford
County or Borough: London

Now I am wondering if the John Morton Lee ( He has a J at the end of his name ie John Morton Lee --J ) so would this be for Juniior as in the 1939 address there is

Elizabeth Constance Lee
John Morton Lee (senr)
John Morton Lee ----J

1 Rokeby---Collage Road SE 21

Name: Elizabeth Constance Lee
Electoral Year: 1939
Parliamentary Division: Dulwich and North
County or Borough: Southwark

What I mean is ---is John Morton Lee ----J Elizabeths son on the Electoral Registers and not her husband except on 1939 when they are both there.?? !!

Barbara x :-S

EDIT---- It seems that a ---J--- tagged onto the end of a name means he was a "Juror" :-)

Name: John Morton Lee
Electoral Year: 1939
Parliamentary Division: Dulwich and North
County or Borough: Southwark

both still at 1 College road SE21 and now with John Morton Lee jnr too

Name: John Morton Lee
Electoral Year: 1938
Parliamentary Division: Camberwell
County or Borough: Southwark
still at 1 College road SE21

posting just cos it came up
Name: John Morton Lee
Electoral Year: 1918
Parliamentary Division: Deptford
County or Borough: London

11 Edric Road with Elizabeth Constance lee

Name: John Morton Lee
Electoral Year: 1935
Parliamentary Division: Camberwell
County or Borough: Southwark
1 College road SE21