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Good evening all

I am trying to sort out the family of Thomas Ball b. 1835 in Coventry.

His parents, according to an extracted record on familysearch, were John and Catherine (Taylor) Ball married at St. Martin's, Birmingham, 22nd August 1819. John Ball could possibly have been born in Coventry on 13th August 1798, son of William and Elizabeth Ball.
I have found two siblings for Thomas: William b. 1832 and James b. 1834 but no other children to fill the gap between 1819 and 1832.


I am totally unable to find any of the family on the 1841 census, can some kind person help, please?

Thanks a lot
Beverley

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HOPKINS, Mary F 60 1781 Warwickshire VIEW
BALL, John M 30 1811 Warwickshire VIEW
BALL, Thomas M 6 1835 Warwickshire VIEW
MCMAN, Francis M 35 1806 Ireland VIEW
MCMAN, Cornelius M 25 1816 Ireland VIEW
COMERFORD, John M 20 1821 Ireland VIEW
WATTS, Katherine F 20 1821 Warwickshire VIEW
WATTS, Joseph M 2 1839 Warwickshire VIEW
Piece:
1152 Book/Folio:
2/11 Page:
14 Registration District:
Coventry

Civil Parish:
St Michael Municipal Borough:
Coventry Address:
Gosford Street, St Michael, Coventry County:
Warwickshire

?1841
National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107 Piece: 1152 Book/Folio: 2/11 Page: 14


Reg. District: Coventry Sub District: St John & St Michael
Parish: St Michael Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Coventry
Address: Gosford Street, St Michael, Coventry
County: Warwickshire

Name Relation Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
HOPKINS, Mary F 60 1781 Warwickshire
BALL, John M 30 1811 Warwickshire
BALL, Thomas M 6 1835 Warwickshire
MCMAN, Francis M 35 1806 Ireland
MCMAN, Cornelius M 25 1816 Ireland
COMERFORD, John M 20 1821 Ireland
WATTS, Katherine F 20 1821 Warwickshire
WATTS, Joseph M 2 1839 Warwickshire

I saw that one, thank you both.
No wife or siblings! And also this John Ball couldn't possiby be the one who got married in 1819.
I wonder if the marriage of John Ball and Catherine Taylor is the right one. :-S

No mention of 'Taylor' on the baptism record, not surprising as the MMN wouldn't be considered important


THOMAS BALL Christening: 24 APR 1835 Saint Michael, Coventry, Warwick, England

Father: JOHN BALL Mother: CATHERINE


The leap from 1819 to 1835 is not feasible...........and the location difference is a factor

Name: Ball
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: Feb 1832
Baptism/Christening Place: SAINT MICHAEL,COVENTRY,WARWICK,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Ball
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Catherine
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02141-3
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 549659
Reference Number:

Name: James Ball
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 24 Apr 1835
Baptism/Christening Place: SAINT MICHAEL,COVENTRY,WARWICK,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Ball
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Catherine
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02141-3
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 549659
Reference Number:

How about this one?


JOHN BALL

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Marriages:
Spouse: CATHERINE MATTHEWS
Marriage: 09 AUG 1830 Holy Trinity, Coventry, Warwick, England

Batch No.: M041921

That looks a lot more likely, Flick.
I searched for another Ball - Catherine marriage without success.
Don't suppose there is a father's name there?
The John Ball born in 1811 was the son of William and Maria (Mary?).

???

Civil Registration event: Death
Print Close
Name: BALL, James
Registration district: Coventry
County: Warwickshire
Year of registration: 1841
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Volume no: 16
Page no: 291

Thanks for that one, alviegal.
If Catherine died too it must've been pre-1837, I can't see a record on freebmd.

Many thanks for all assistance so far, I am off for the night now but will check in in the morning.

Beverley

I C&P'd the IGI info

To find his parents, you'll need to look for a baptism....on the IGI

No I can't see a death for Catherine or William. Where did you get his name from, by the way? Possibly both deaths before 1837, if, in fact, they did die.

Here's William (from familysearch too):

William Ball

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

christening: 20 Feb 1832 St. Michael,? Coventry,? Warwick,? England
residence: Coventry,? Warwick,? England

parents: John Ball,? Catherine Ball

Hmmm the John Ball born in 1811 was a Catholic:

Joannes Ball
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 26 May 1811 Francisan Mission,? Birmingham,? Warwickshire,? England
residence: Gloucester,? England
parents: Gulilelmi Ball,? Mariæ

Many thanks for the help so far!

I could just do with a pair of keen eyes to help a bit more with this one.

I think I have found Thomas on the 1851 census aged 16.
Reference H.O.107/2059, Birmingham All Saints.
It looks like he is a PRISONER but I'm not quite sure; there is a Patrick lower down on the page and the capital P doesn't really look the same. Also there seem to be a LOT of people on the page marked as blind/deaf/dumb.
I can't find him on the Warwickshire database of prisoners but on the other hand the database isn't complete.
Can someone kindly check and see what institution Thomas is in?

Thanks again
Beverley

Had a look.
It´s definitely the Borough Gaol, which is now Winson Green prison, although until quite recently, All Saints was the psychiatric hospital, known earlier as the lunatic asylum. Maybe the building was used for both until the prison opened.
Can´t read the occupation. looks like chip filler, but I´m sure it isn´t.

Thanks, wisechild.

I thought it said Chip Filler too :)

I think Winson Green was opened in the late 1840's so maybe in the early years it was dual purpose!
I wonder what Thomas had been up to, only 16 years old. :-S

Thanks again
Beverley

According to the Criminal registers on Ancestry, Thomas Ball was tried 18.10.1850 & sentenced to 12 months imprisonment for larceny.

Great!
Thanks!! :-)