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I'm getting the baptisms, etc. from www.familysearch.org

I also subscribe to Ancestry.

Ozi

Hi Ozibird

I went onto Scotland's people but the information your finding is a lot more than what i'm finding. Are there any other really good sites where i can find this information?

thanks
Lori

Let us know what you find, and also if you need any more help.

Ozi

I'm trying to find out more information regarding Elizabeth, so hopefully i come right.

Great, thanks very much for your help. Much appreciated. Will have a look on Scotland's people thoroughly.

Please remember that this is all supposition. You need to go to the website Scotland's People and check info for yourself.

You will have to pay but you'll be able to see the images for yourself.

Ozi

Looks like it was only the father that died.

Scotland Marriages, 1561-1910
marriage: 13 Jan 1851 Abbey Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland
spouse: Agnes Sommerville
groom's name: William Edgar
bride's name: Agnes Sommerville
marriage date: 13 Jan 1851
marriage place: Abbey Paisley,Renfrew,Scotland
indexing project (batch) number: M11959-2



???? Unfortunately I can't check the image. I wonder if Isabella and Sarah are actually 'H' for Holburn?
1851 Scotland Census
Name: Isabella H Edgar
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: Wm Edgar
Mother's name: Agnes S Edgar
Gender: Female
Where born: Stewarton, Ayrshire
Parish Number: 573
Civil parish: Paisley Abbey
Town: Nutshill
County: Renfrewshire
Address: Nutshill
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 7A
Page: 32 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 110
Line: 4
Roll: CSSCT1851_126
Household Members:
Name Age
Wm Edgar 42 - Wright, Employing 8 Men; born Neilston, Renfrewshire
Agnes S Edgar 32 - born Stewarton, Ayrshire [no occupation recorded]
Margt Edgar 14
John Edgar 12
William Edgar 10
Janet Edgar 6
Isabella H Edgar 10
Sarah H Edgar 8



Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 26 Jul 1856 ABBEY PAISLEY, RENFREW, SCOTLAND
residence: 1856 Renf, Scotland
parents: William Edgar, Agnes Somerville
name: Alexander Edgar
gender: Male
birth date: 26 Jul 1856
birthplace: ABBEY PAISLEY,RENFREW,SCOTLAND
father's name: William Edgar
mother's name: Agnes Somerville
indexing project (batch) number: C11559-1

and

name: Elizabeth Edgar
gender: Female
birth date: 20 Oct 1859
birthplace: ABBEY PAISLEY, RENFREW, SCOTLAND
father's name: William Edgar
mother's name: Agnes Sommerville
indexing project (batch) number: C11559-1



1861 Scotland Census
Name: Agnes Holburn
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relationship: Stepdaughter
Mother's name: Agnes Edgar
Gender: Female
Where born: Stewarton, Ayrshire
Registration number: 559/2
Registration district: Abbey Landward
Civil parish: Abbey Landward
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 3 Edgar's Land

Occupation: Scholar

Roll: CSSCT1861_74
Household Members: Name Age
William Edgar 56 - Joiner; born Beith, Ayrshire
Agnes Edgar 42 - Spirit Dealer; born Fenwick, Ayrshire [notice the occupation]
Jane Edgar 9
James Edgar 7
Alexander Edgar 4
Elizabeth Edgar 1
Agnes Holburn 15

Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
name: Sarah Holburn
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 09 Apr 1843
baptism/christening place: STEWARTON, AYR, SCOTLAND
birth date: 30 Mar 1843
father's name: Thomas Holburn
mother's name: Agnes Sommerville
indexing project (batch) number: C11616-4

and

name: Agnes Holburn
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 15 Jun 1845
baptism/christening place: STEWARTON, AYR, SCOTLAND
birth date: 06 Jun 1845
father's name: Thomas Holburn
mother's name: Agnes Sommerville
indexing project (batch) number: C11616-4

and

name: Margaret Holburn
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 02 Jul 1848
baptism/christening place: STEWARTON, AYR, SCOTLAND
birth date: 25 Jun 1848
father's name: Thomas Holburn
mother's name: Agnes Sommerville
indexing project (batch) number: C11616-4



Looks like parents, and possibly Margaret, have died.
1851 Scotland Census
Name: Agnes S Holburn
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relationship: Grandaughter (Granddaughter)
Father's Name: Adam Holburn
Gender: Female
Where born: Stewarton, ayrsh
Parish Number: 616
Civil parish: Stewarton
Town: Stewarton
County: Ayrshire
Address: Mainstreet

Occupation: Scholar

Roll: CSSCT1851_139
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Holburn 83 - Hand Loom Weaver Formerly; born Stewarton, ayrsh
Margaret Holburn 46 - Daughter; Yarn Winder; born Stewarton, ayrsh
Adam Holburn 40 - son; Hand Loom Weaver; born Stewarton, ayrsh
Sarah Holburn 9 - Grandaughter; Scholar; born Stewarton, ayrsh
Agnes S Holburn 5

1841 Scotland Census
Name: Isabella Holburn
Age: 7 Mo
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Gender: Female
Where born: Ayrshire, Scotland
Civil parish: Stewarton
County: Ayrshire
Address: Main St
Parish Number: 616
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Holburn 25 - Grocer Spirit Dealer; born Ayrshire
Agnes Holburn 20 - born Ayrshire
Isabella Holburn 7 Mo




1861 Scotland Census
Name: Isabella Holborn
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relationship: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Steventon, Ayrshire [presumably Stewarton]
Registration number: 644/9
Registration district: Tradeston
Civil parish: Glasgow Govan
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 66 Abbotsford Place

Occupation: Domestic Servant

Household Members: Name Age
John Bryson 34 - Flesher; born Arondale, Lanarkshire
Marion A Bryson 37
Marion Bryson 10
Jane Bryson 8
Margaret Bryson 5
Robina Doane 15 - Stepdaughter
James Bryson 26 - Brother
Isabella Holborn 20
Isabella Somerville 6 - niece



???
1871 Scotland Census
Name: Isabella Helburn
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relationship: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Stewarton, Ayrshire
Registration number: 572/2
Registration district: Barrhead
Civil parish: Neilston
County: Renfrewshire
Address: Grahamston

Occupation: Servant

Household Members: Name Age
Agnes Mccowan 48 - Grocer
Emil Bobbie 36 - sister [Just love the transcription for occupation "Slup Keehee". Must mean shopkeeper.]
Isabella Helburn 30

No, unfortunately I couldn't find 1891 which presumably would include him. He was born a few months after the 1881 census and looks like he'd left home by the 1901.

Do you know anything more about Thomas H Morrison's wife? Date and/or place of birth? What about the surname?

Ozi

Thanks very much for your help.
There is no mention of Thomas in the household members.

I did find this tho, which mentions her father being a thomas holburn as well.

Name: Isabella Holburn
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 13 Sep 1840
Baptism/Christening Place: , STEWARTON, AYR, SCOTLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Thomas Holburn
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Agnes Somerville
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11616-4
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
Source Film Number: 1041470
Reference Number:

As for finding out more about Elizabeth, we need more information on her. You say she is Elizabeth Cameron, perhaps Betty Simpson Cameron. Gravestone (if it is her) has her as Elizabeth Dunbar Morrison.

We need a possible date of birth and where she was born. If she was born in South Africa that may be far more difficult.

Ozi

Just in case you don't have this info:

1881 Scotland Census
Name: Peter Morrison
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Isa Morrison
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration number: 562
Registration district: Eastwood
Civil parish: Eastwood
County: Renfrewshire
Address: Thornliebank

Occupation: Machine Printer

Roll: cssct1881_163
Household Members: Name Age
Peter Morrison 40
Isa Morrison 40 - born Stewarton, Ayrshire
Peter Morrison 9 - scholar; born Glasgow, Lanarkshire
John Morrison 1- born Thornliebank, Renfrewshire



1901 Scotland Census
Name: Peter Morrison
Age: 61
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Isabella Morrison
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration number: 348
Registration district: Dunblane and Lecropt
Civil parish: Dunblane and Lecropt
County: Perthshire
Address: 25 Ashfield Cottages

Occupation: Calico Machine Printer

Roll: CSSCT1901_119
Household Members: Name Age
Peter Morrison 61
Isabella Morrison 60 - born Stewarton, Ayrshire
John W Morrison 21 - Ironmonger; born Thornliebank, Renfrewsh


Unfortunately I can't find them in 1891. The census that should include Thomas H.

Thomas Holborn Morrison
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 10 Sep 1881 Eastwood, Renfrew, Scotland
residence: 1881 Scotland
parents: Peter Morrison, Isabella Holborn
name: Thomas Holborn Morrison
gender: Male
birth date: 10 Sep 1881
birthplace: Eastwood, Renfrew, Scotland
father's name: Peter Morrison
mother's name: Isabella Holborn
indexing project (batch) number: C01882-0

So this might be something to work on:

http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=1238644

An image of a gravestone - MORRISON Thomas Holburn -1956 aged 75 years and his beloved wife, Elizabeth DUNBAR -1957

Looks like Cape Town, South Africa.

Either the people who captioned the image know something we don't or they took a leap of faith because the grave stone actually records her as Elizabeth Dunbar Morrison. Dunbar may be a middle name rather than her surname. Unfortunately how old she was when she died is not clear.

Ozi

http://www.genesreunited.co.za/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1293426

Lorraine,

A tip for using these boards. When you have related people it is best to put them on the one thread (all the posts relating to one subject). That way any research done on your behalf won't be duplicated. Believe me, if they're any way connected it will be.

I suggest you delete the Captain Dunbar thread.

Also it would be a very good idea to add some dates. You obviously already have some information on them.

Ozi


P.s. All that is on that thread is:

"Does anyone have information on Captain Dunbar who landed in Cape Town from Glasgow? I believe he is one of the 1st ancestors of the Morrison clan."

I'm looking for information on my great grandad Thomas Holburn Morrison. He married Elizabeth Morrison, born Cameron. Her middle name might be Betty Simpson. they had a son named Thomas Morrison. I believe that Elizabeth was a descendent of Captain Dunbar. Thomas Holburn's parents lived in Village Renfrew back in the day.