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Catherine Bryden m William Rogerson

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Tricia

Tricia Report 17 Feb 2012 06:55

Both are Scottish but married in London in June 1860. This information is from the birth of their 3rd child Agnes Bryden Rogerson in Applegarth Dumphriesshiire Scotland, on 16 Feb 1866. Given by the Grandmother Ellen Bryden.
I have looked at findmypast, freebdm, Ancestry,St.Catherine's Marriages,
Does anyone know if there are records for marriages in a Church of Scotland in London about that time, and where I can access them from Australia. I have been searching for this for years so any information however small would be very welcome . thank you Tricia

Penny

Penny Report 17 Feb 2012 07:27

It schould be on freeBMD. Have you looked there?

How do you know they married in June 1860?

Penny

Penny Report 17 Feb 2012 07:36

My first thought is they said they married, but actually they didnt.,London would have been a heck of a way to go to marry in 1866

Gee

Gee Report 17 Feb 2012 07:38

A tree on Ancestry has Catherine and William married in Scotland


Catherine Bryden
3 Jun Birth 1835
Applegarth, Dumfries-shire, Scotland
1 source citation Hide source citations Australia Death Index, 1787-1985



Age: 25 Marriage to William John Rogerson 1860
Dumphries, Scotland

1906 29 Nov
Age: 71 Death
Albert Park, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

Tricia

Tricia Report 17 Feb 2012 07:38

Yes I have looked at freeBMD, from 1859 to 1887.
My husband has a cousin in Edinburgh, and she very kindly looked at Registry House for us, but she only found the birth of two children in Scotland,, and on the second registration was the information that the parents had been married in June 1860 in London.Unfortunately she has not been able to find any marriage.

Gee

Gee Report 17 Feb 2012 07:41

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
about Cath Rogerson
Name: Cath Rogerson
Death Place: South Melbourne, Victoria
Age: 73
Father's Name: Bruden Wm <<<<guess this should say Bryden
Mother's Name: Ellen Brown
Registration Year: 1906
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration number: 14172
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833

That tree on Ancestry has exact dates showing for BMDs so I would guess they have certificates

Check Scotlands People for the marriage in Scotland

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 17 Feb 2012 07:43

Looking at the 1871 Census, they seemed to move back and forwards from London area and Scotland!


The eldest child Ellen was born 1862, Stratford, Essex

John in 1864, Scotland

Agnes 1866, Scotland

Catherine 1869, Bromley, Middlesex

William 1870, Bromley





but it could be that they did not in fact marry!




sylvia

Gee

Gee Report 17 Feb 2012 07:46

A sibling for Agnes


Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
about Kate Rogerson
Name: Kate Rogerson
Death Place: Port Melbourne, Victoria
Age: 25
Father's Name: Rogerson Wm
Mother's Name: Cath Bryden
Registration Year: 1893
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration number: 11614
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868

Gee

Gee Report 17 Feb 2012 07:47

Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950
about Agnes Brydon Rogerson
Name: Agnes Brydon Rogerson
Spouse Name: Frederic Charles Brooke
Marriage Place: Victoria
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Year: 1888
Registration number: 1513

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
about Agnes Bryden Brooke
Name: Agnes Bryden Brooke
Death Place: N N Goon, Victoria
Age: 60
Father's Name: Wm Rogerson Brooke
Mother's Name: Catherine Bryden
Registration Year: 1926
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration number: 6926
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866

Gee

Gee Report 17 Feb 2012 07:49

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
about James Henry Rogerson
Name: James Henry Rogerson
Death Place: Blac, Victoria
Age: 89
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Catherine Bryden
Registration Year: 1961
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration number: 4416
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872


Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
about Wm Rogerson
Name: Wm Rogerson
Death Place: Port Melbourne, Victoria
Age: 29
Father's Name: Rogerson Wm
Mother's Name: Cath Bryden
Registration Year: 1899
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration number: 15565
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 17 Feb 2012 07:50

The tree that Ginny mentions has another child, born in 1857


Janet Carruthers Bryden
Birth 20th January 1857 in Applegarth, Dumphrieshire, Scotland
Death

Gee

Gee Report 17 Feb 2012 07:51

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
about Jno Gibson Rogerson
Name: Jno Gibson Rogerson
Death Place: Hawthorn, Victoria
Age: 46
Father's Name: Rogerson Wm
Mother's Name: Cath Bryoon
Registration Year: 1909
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration number: 12701
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863

Tricia

Tricia Report 17 Feb 2012 07:52

It does seem very strange that they went to London, I haven't been able to work that out yet
I have their death certificates, but our cousin has been unable to find any marriage in Scotland.
Catherine was on her own in London because William was a mariner on the 61/71/81 cencuses. The first child Helen (Ellen) was born at Stratfield, West Ham,. the second John Gibson and the third Agnes Bryden were born at Applegarth Scotland, the other 4 were born at Bromley Middlesex. They came to Australia in 1887, but I have been unable to find any marriage for them here.

Gee

Gee Report 17 Feb 2012 07:59

There are three matches for a William Rogerson marriage on Scotlands People

Dont forget that the surname for Catherine could have been mis spelt


Statutory Register Marriages 1858 - 1862.Learn more. 3 matches

http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/search/Free/results.aspx


You would need to buy credits to view the details

Penny

Penny Report 17 Feb 2012 08:14

Which are they on the 1881 census please.

Tricia

Tricia Report 17 Feb 2012 08:14

Thank you very much, I have not had much succes with Scotlands people but will have another go at our local family history libary

Tricia

Tricia Report 17 Feb 2012 08:20

on the 1881 cencus they at 41 St Leonards St Bromley Middlesex
Catherine head 47 Scotland wife of mariner
John son 17 " hairdresser brush factory
Kate dau 12 Bromley Middlesex scholar
William son 11 " " "
James son 9 " " "
Alexander son 6 " " "

Penny

Penny Report 17 Feb 2012 08:48

I also wonder what a marriners wife is doimng slap bang in the middle of Middlesex. Strange place to be.

Tricia

Tricia Report 17 Feb 2012 09:05

That has always made me wonder, I always thought something fishy was going on. I am not convinced they did marry in London, but am searching all possible places.