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1861 census - look up Arthur J. Bryant, born 1815 age 45. He lives at 15 Ferdinant Street, Pancras.
He has a wife, Sarah b 1819.
A son ....... I always thought perhaps it was Sadler, He was born 22 April 1852, but I cannot find his death, nor find him on the 1871 census, in fact he is a complete mystery.
Can anyone help me solve this long outstanding problem
Many thanks
Jo

Maybe this one :


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Births Jun 1852 (>99%)
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Bryant Sadler James St Pancras 1b 60

There appears to be 3 baptisms
Caroline Sarah, Jessie and Harriet for this couple

for reference -


Births Jun 1852 (>99%)
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Bryant Sadler James St Pancras 1b 60


1861

165 BRYANT, Arthur J Head Married M 45 1816 Cordwainer
St Andrews
Middlesex VIEW
165 BRYANT, Sarah Wife Married F 41 1820
...
Middlesex VIEW
165 BRYANT, ... J Son M 8 1853 Scholar
St Pancras
Middlesex VIEW
165 BRYANT, Jessie Daughter F 6 1855 Scholar
St Pancras
Middlesex VIEW
165 BRYANT, Caroline D Daughter F 3 1858
St Pancras
Middlesex VIEW



Address: 15, Ferdinand Street, St Pancras

Pam

Yes, that is the birth record, but I cannot find anymore about him i.e. his 1971 census or his death. If the birth has been registered as that, I feel it must be right, but cannot tie up his further moves.
Many thanks for your help
Jo

Name: Sadler James Brgant
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1857
Baptism Date: 5 Jul 1857
Father's Name: Arthur James Brgant
Mother's name: Sarah Brgant
Parish or Poor Law Union: Haverstock Hill Holy Trinity
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers


will do a name correction

Glitter Baby and Choccy

Yes, I have the children.
Sadler John Bryant b 22 April 1852 - I know nothing else. On 1861 census
Jessie Bryant b 17 March 1855 died Sept 1862
Caroline Sarah Bryant b 5 June 1857 - have not tied up her loose ends yet
On 1861 and 71 census
Harriet Bryant b 7 April 1860 d ca Mar 1861 Pancras

Seems a sad family with 2 deaths our of 4 children

Many thanks
Jo

date of birth - 22nd April 1852


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Sadler John Boyant
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1857
Baptism Date: 5 Jul 1857
Father's Name: Arthur James Boyant
Mother's name: Sarah Boyant
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers



Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint Pancras Parish Church, Register of baptisms, P90/PAN1, Item 033

Choccy and Andrew

Thank you for Sadler's birth/Baptism record.
Whats interesting is that Choccy yours reads Sadler John Boyant (Bryant) and Andrew yours reads Sadler James Brgant!!

Perhaps he did not like the name Sadler, discarded it and just used James or John Bryant. That will be more difficult to find.

Many thanks to both of you for your help
Jo

Hi Jo - have you found any of the family in 1871?

1871 England Census
Name: Caroline Bryant
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Female
Civil parish: St George the Martyr
Ecclesiastical parish: St George the Martyr
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: Powis Place, Friendless Home, Branch Female Aid Society

Occupation: Being Trained for Service

Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: St George the Martyr
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 231
Piece: 369
Folio: 30
Page Number: 54



http://www.ucl.ac.uk/bloomsbury-project/institutions/female_aid_society.htm
"There was a Friendless Home at New Ormond Street by 1846, but it had moved to 11 Powis Place by 1865 "

I have this from FreeBMD - it may be of use if you do not already have it ?

Arthur Bryant married Sarah Gifford on 5th August at the Parish of St. George, Bloomsbury,
Middx. Full age. Shoemaker. Father Robert Bryant, also shoemaker.
Sarah of full age, Servant, father Sadler Gifford, Bricklayer. Both of 2 Let Rupell St.

Dea x

MarieCeleste

Arthur Bryant and his wife Sarah died in 1861 and 1870 respectively, so were not on the 1871 census.
The 2nd child Jessie has also died in 1862.
The 4th child died in 1861.
This only leaves Sadler, who I have found in the 1861 census and Ozibird might have found Caroline in the 1871 census. Will check that one out.
Thank you for your help
Jo

Dea

I think I put that on Free BMD some time ago as I have the Marriage Certificate.
Thank you for your help
Jo

Ozibird

Yes, I had found Caroline on the 1871 census, but then the trail on her goes cold.

Its so annoying when you cannot quite tidy up a family.

Many thanks for your help
Jo

I wonder if he was sent to an institution and then to Canada as many
children were

Quinsgran

Sorry for the delay in replying. That is one thing I have not checked out to see whether Sadler John/James Bryant went to Canada or elsewhere abroad.
Likewise Caroline Sarah Bryant might have gone after 1871, as I can find little about her other than buying lots of Death Certificates to find the right Caroline!!

I will look up the emigration lists later tonight.

Many thanks for your help
Regards
Jo