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Marriages Jun 1870 (>99%)
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Banks Bartholomew Oldham 8d 1017
Holt Thomas Oldham 8d 1017
LORD Liza Oldham 8d 1017

Missing bride from this freebmd entry

Added - from Lancashirebmd:

BANKS Bartholomew LANGAN Catherine Oldham Register Office or Registrar Attended Oldham RM/22/63

1881:
Winneford Banks
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Bartholomew Banks
Mother's Name: Catharine Banks
Gender: Female
Where born: Lees, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Saddleworth
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: New Road
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Saddleworth
Sub-registration district: Delph
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4362
Folio: 74
Page Number: 10
Household Members: Name Age
Bartholomew Banks 38 << born Ireland
Catharine Banks 38 << born Oldham
Mary Banks 9
Winneford Banks 2
Bartholomew Banks
John Morran 11

1891:
Winifred Banks
[Winifred Burns]
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Bartholomew Banks
Gender: Female
Where born: Ashton, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Saddleworth
Ecclesiastical parish: Lydgate St Annes
Town: Springhead
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Saddleworth
Sub-registration district: Delph
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3549
Folio: 52
Page Number: 37
Household Members: Name Age
Bartholomew Banks 47 << widow, born Ireland
Winifred Banks 12
Bartholomew Banks 10
Mary Banks 19 << should read Burns (daughter)
Joseph Burns 21 << son in law

May give you something else to check, if you don't already have this?

Her sister's marriage:

Marriages Mar 1891 (>99%)
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Banks Mary Ashton 8d 702
Burns Joseph Ashton 8d 702

as you have the exact date and place of Winifred & Patricks marriage would it be worth contacting Lancs Record office to see if they would look to see if there is any extra handwritten info in the register (they do have the appropriate register)

I would offer to look for you but I am not going to be a able to go for a few weeks but if you would like me to look send me a pm and I will do so

Heading back over to UK next week and hoping to dig up any info on the Foy and Banks family. I am at a standstill with it all now and hoping somebody can delve further than what i seem to get.. Any help is good help
:)

All I can add is that, if you know anything at all about Patrick, his siblings, anything etc, then post it here.

Certificates cost, I cant tell you how many 'duff' ones I have bought, but always got the so an sos in the end!

All worth it in the end......had to know, and I dont give up ;-)

Hi Gins

That sounds like my Patrick that im after.. He was 29 when he married in 1902 and the irish background as well. He may have well gone back to Ireland when he married Winifred Banks because they both disappear on the census after they marry. If i knew for certain it was the right one i would order a certificate, but i spose thats the only way to find out right?

I have been looking into the Catherine Coogan, but again its all sketchy until you can get certs..Anyways, im off to get ready for work now, but every break i get i will be checking my emails..

Thanks again, its appreciated :-D

Wonder if this is the same Patrick that I posted a birth for?


Ireland, Civil Registration Deaths Index, 1864-1958
Name: Patrick Foy
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1916
Death Age: 44
Registration district: Dublin South
Death Country: Ireland
Volume: 2
Page: 468
FHL Film Number: 0101606

The only way of checking is to order the death certificate from here

http://www.groireland.ie/

Midnight! PAH!

Sat down one evening tracing a branch and next time I looked it was 4am. Now how's that for a I stayed up longer than you did? HEHE.xJ

Hi Jillian
lol i know what you mean about asking for a sign and talking to them in your head...Hope i dont do it out loud, i will get locked up :-0

If i didnt look at my tree occasionally, i would forget i had kids !! you get sick of looking and thinking you are onto something then it turns into a midnight search because you cant drag yourself away..

Thanks for the encouragement and good luck with your searches also..

Thanks for the heads up on the mormon site as well Ivy, i will check that out.. :-)

Hi Johanne,

I know that sometimes we get downhearted when we can't find someone but never give up looking. I'm not alone in taking years to find someone. In my case it was someone I knew existed. She used a family surname. I knew who her brother and father were (supposedly), I had her signature on my maternal grandmother's marriage cert which was how I found out she existed, and on her brother's too. I had found that quite by chance trawling through films in the library for all Wassall weddings. Elderly relatives knew nothing about her or who she was. I found out who she married and when she died. But it took me years to find out who she really was, her real identity and how she fitted into things. So never give up. I even used to talk to her in my head begging for a sign or hint that would let me find her. :-S :-S

- I think the Patrick and Elizabeth who married in 1895 in Lower Palmerstown in Dublin are also on the Dublin 1901 and 1911 census returns.

... and his marriage on 3 November 1895 in the same parish.

EDIT - is he shown as bachelor or as widower on the 1902 marriage certificate?

Hi Johanne,

Anything that finishes FHL as a reference will be from the Mormon library (I usually google family search to access their free online records). Another source would be the Irish Government's free site - they are in the process of uploading scanned Protestant (Church of Ireland) and Catholic baptisms onto the internet (I think on the basis that it is likely to promote tourism with people coming to see their ancestral homes). For this one I google for Irish genealogy. Patrick's baptism, with slightly different spellings is on the Irish Government's site.

Thanks everyone, you are all doing great :-D
Gins, i dunno where you get your info from, but that looks like a good match.. Might be worth looking into Coogan...
Thanks again everybody, i would be totally lost without your help, has you all seem to find extra info that i cant.. :-|

Ireland, Births and Baptisms, 1620-1911
Name: Patrick Foy
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 8 Nov 1872
Birth Place: Dublin, Ireland
Father's Name: Thomas Foy
Mother's name: Catherine Coogan
FHL Film Number: 255862



There are deaths in Ireland and England that could be a match. Nothing on the census for the couple though :-(

Winifred (as Winnie) Banks is on the 1901 Census as staying at 11 Atherton St, Springhead, with a couple called Fogarty.

She was actually born in Saddleworth ....... which is close by Springhead, but is in Yorkshire.

Is is stretching matters to suggest that she met Patrick while staying there?

and that it might be worth searching the 1901 Census for Springhead to see if he is living there at that point?


1901 Census

Name: Winnie Banks
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Saddleworth, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Springhead
Ecclesiastical parish: Lydgate St Anne
Town: Springhead
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Saddleworth
Sub-registration district: Delph

James Fogarty 23 b. Saddleworth
Lizzie Fogarty 22 b. Saddleworth
Winnie Banks 22

Address:- 11 Atherton St



sylvia

Thanks for replying guys.. The info i have in front of me is;
Marriage on 29th June 1902 at St Edwards church in Lees, Oldham.

Patrick Foy 29 years - general labourer -67 Oldham rd, Springhead- Father -Thomas Foy- farmer...

Winifred Banks - 23 years- cotton frame tenter - 11 Atherton St, Springhead - Bartholomew Banks (deceased) is her father..

Witnesses to their marriage were Joseph Burns and Winifreds sister Mary..

I already have info on Winifred and Bartholomew Banks, its just the Foy family im looking into at the minute.. These are the last links i have and if nothing comes up about the Foys then im done looking.. :-(

We can't really progress this any further without the details from that marriage cert.

Dea x

Have you any idea of his date of birth. If he was quite old when he married this entry in the 1911 census might account for the lack of information. By the way he also came from Ireland so this Patrick Foy could be connected with K's search.

1911 England census

Name: Patrick Foy
Age in 1911: 71
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation to Head: Patient In Hospital (Patient)
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Tyranaar, Down, Ireland
Civil parish: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: General Labourer (formerly)
Registration district: Liverpool
Registration District Number: 453
Sub-registration district: Abercromby
ED, institution, or vessel: 36-52
Piece: 22210

If he was a youngster this info is irrelevant.

There are 8 Winifred Foy's who died between 1902 and 1911. Without a specific date of birth for both Winifred and Patrick the search is difficult.

Johanne has the cert..........