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good afternoon
could anyone point me in the right direction i have a relative john selby who in the 1881 census is in hm prison borstal medway rochester kent. how or where would i find what he was in there for and how long he served.
he came from nottingham
thanks sharon

Where was he in 1871?

hi flick
i thought nottingham but cannot seem to find him at the moment

Sharon..do we have a birthdate for him??? If he was in Borstal in 1881 then he was a teenager rather than an adult prisoner......

Derek

hi derek
he was born 1843 and in 1881 census he his listed as age 38yrs

Have you investigated the possibility that he was not an inmate.and was maybe a Prison Officer??? Rochester Borstal was built in 1870..for juvenile offenders.......not for 38 year olds..........
EDIT.sorry..found him..he WAS an inmate..he appears on the 1851 and 1861 as John Selly..son of George and Sofia............but nowhere on the 1871...........
Derek

For ref

1881 England Census
about John Selby
Name: John Selby
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Convict (Prisoner)
Gender: Male
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Rochester St Margaret
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address: "H M Prison Borstal"
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: General Dealer

Registration district: Medway
Sub-registration district: Rochester
ED, institution, or vessel: H M Prison Borstal
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 889
Folio: 7
Page Number: 12

i have been searching for him off and on for a few months with no success along with his mother sophia 1803 leicestershire.
he was in 1865 accused and found guilty along with his mother of illegal distilling and sentenced to 3 months hard labour so dont know if that has anything to do with there disapearence
will keep searching thankyou

England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892

Name: John Selby
Date of Trial: 8 Mar 1859
Trial Year: 1859
Location of Trial: Nottinghamshire, England
Sentence: Imprisonment < 4 years

Crime was "Housebreaking, before convicted of felony"

Not sure if this is definitely him. If it is, then he didn't seem to serve the 4 years as he appears to be with his family in 1861:

SELBY, George Head Married M 67 1794 Frame Work Knitter Mansfield Nottinghamshire
SELBY, Sofia Wife Married F 54 1807 Hinksey Leicestershire
SELBY, Sofia Daughter Unmarried F 21 1840 Mill Girl Knitter Hinksey Leicestershire
SELBY, John Son Unmarried M 18 1843 Dyer Nottingham St Mary
SELBY, Timothy Son Unmarried M 15 1846 Mill Boy Nottingham St Mary
SELBY, Salmon Son Unmarried M 12 1849 Scholar Nottingham St Mary
SELBY, William Grandson M 0 (3M) 1861 Sneinton Nottinghamshire
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Registration District: Radford
Civil Parish: Sneinton

Address: Byron Square, Sneinton County: Nottinghamshire

I'm sure this 1871 must be connected:

SELBY, Harriett Head F 69 1802 Staffordshire
SELBY, Sophia Daughter F 31 1840 Staffordshire < Doubler
SELBY, Tim Son M 25 1846 Nottinghamshire < Twist Hand
WARD, Kate Grandchild F 12 1859 Yorkshire < Clipper

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Registration District: Nottingham
Civil Parish: St Mary
Municipal Borough: Nottingham

Address: Wood Street, St Mary, Nottingham County: Nottinghamshire

My reading of this is that he looks like a repeat offender.....a Housebreaker at age 16 ????? then back in the nick at age 38........both from nottingham..sorry Sharon..looks like you have a very naughty boy on your hands!!!

Derek.

thanks marieceleste and derek
yes he looks like a very naughty boy abit more searching to be done.
does anyone know when i next go to the archives (if they hold the records) being as john was only 16 (if its him) would it mention his mother or father
thanks

The Centre for Kentish Studies....re HM Prison Borstal Rochester but unfortunately closed until after 4th Feb.

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thankyou vera

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http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/trying_to_find/selby/thread/1209198?d=desc

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1006586


(not sure if you've had contact with Lorraine on above, she might be able to help)

Chris :)

The below link for Newspapers might be a useful one, all sorts of snippets can be found...


http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1232629

thanks everyone
yes chris i have had contact with lorraine shes my sister but thanks for your help
sharon