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George Wells married (Matilda Cooper) in 1918 at Kinson (Bournemouth)claiming to be 23
She claimed to be 19 but was 17 so he may be younger too.

They raised their children in Bransgore Hants (Thorney Hill)

His father is given as Joe deceased and there is a Joseph on Free BMD 1915.

I have not managed to find him in 1891 or 1901 (or 1811) !

Can anyone help please ?

Thanks

Where was the 1915 death registered?

What was George's occupation?

When did George die?

This Joseph is possibly the death you found in 1915 but no sign of a George

1911

WELLS, Joseph Wood Head Married M 46 1865 Private Means Lancs Rochdale VIEW
WELLS, Florence Maria Wife Married
22 years F 44 1867 Somerset Taunton VIEW
WELLS, Florence Evelyn Daughter Single F 19 1892 School Devon Woodbury VIEW
WELLS, Hilda Muriel Daughter Single F 17 1894 School Devon Alphington VIEW
WELLS, Ruth Daughter Single F 15 1896 School Cheshire Brookland VIEW
WELLS, Constance Daughter Single F 14 1897 School Lancs Charlton Annhard VIEW
WELLS, Marjorie Daughter Single F 10 1901 School Cheshire Cheadle VIEW
WELLS, Rupert Geoffrey Son Single M 9 1902 School Cheshire Cheadle VIEW
WELLS, Arthur Cecil Son Single M 7 1904 School Part-Time Branksome Dorset VIEW
WIGHTMAN, Annie Maria Charlotte Servant Single F 32 1879 Servant Nursemaid London Holloway VIEW
BREWER, Ida Alice Maud Servant Single F 26 1885 Servant Cook Domestic Dorset Poole VIEW
SPENCER, Elizabeth Servant Single F 21 1890 Servant Parlourmaid Domestic Dorset Highwood VIEW
BARNES, Winifred Kate Servant Single F 19 1892 Servant Housemaid Domestic Dorset Warsham VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
5834 Reference:
RG14PN5834 RG78PN267 RD95 SD2 ED3 SN149

Registration District:
Christchurch Sub District:
Bournemouth Enumeration District:
3 Parish:
Bournemouth

Address:
Ulverscroft 18 Marlborough Road Bournemouth County:
Hampshire

For Ref.

Dorset, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921
about George Wells Name: George Wells
Marriage or Bann Date: 16 Mar 1918
Parish: Kinson
Spouse's Name: Matilda Cooper
Both of this Parish.

Apologies for disappearing-had a "freeze" and have had to re boot and re log in !

Flick

The 1915 death was registered Christchurch which covered Bransgore at that time

George's occupation was "labourer" on his M/Certificate

Matilda died in 1967-Christchurch but have not been sure of the right George Wells entry,there are so many of them !

1901 for the family in 1911 (above)

Name: Florence H Wells
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Joseph W Wells
Gender: Female
Where born: Taunton, Somerset, England

Civil parish: Cheadle
Ecclesiastical parish: Cheadle Hulme All Saints
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England


Registration district: Stockport
Sub-registration district: Cheadle
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 104
Piece: 3301
Folio: 12
Page Number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph W Wells 36
Florence H Wells 34
Florence E Wells 9
Vernon H Wells 8
Hilda M Wells 7
Ruth Wells 5
Constance Wells 4
Infant Wells 1 Month
Mabel F Tusller 19
Jane Barlow 52
Caroline M Weaver 25

Of course, 'deceased' fathers were sometimes imaginary..............

Who witnessed the marriage?

Was Matilda 'wife'...or 'widow' on her death cert?

Flick

Have not seen the actual death ,certificate

Yes, I realise the father's name may be a myth but they did call one of their sons Joe !!

Witnessess were a ? Major (looks like) & Emily White-both left their marks X

I wonder if this is the witnesses and possilby the reason the family are difficult to locate is that they might have been travellers. The census form in 1911 is signed by the enumerator so Major could not write

1911

WHITE, Major Head Married M 42 1869 General Dealer VIEW
WHITE, Emily Wife Married
14 years F 30 1881 Southampton VIEW
WHITE, Rose Daughter F 11 1900 Southampton VIEW
WHITE, Silby Daughter F 9 1902 Southampton VIEW
WHITE, Elizabeth Daughter F 6 1905 Southampton VIEW
WHITE, Daisy Daughter F 0 (2 MONTHS) 1911 Branksome VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
12273 Reference:
RG14PN12273 RG78PN694 RD261 SD1 ED10 SN165

Registration District:
Poole Sub District:
Canford Enumeration District:
10 Parish:
Poole

Address:
Gipsy Camp Beresford Road County:
Dorsetshire

Looks like the same family in 1901 with a wonderful address

WHITE, Major Head Married M 38 1863 Traveller Gipsy
Winchester
Hampshire VIEW
WHITE, Emily Wife Married F 25 1876
Basingstoke
Hampshire VIEW
WHITE, Rosie May Daughter Single F 1 1900
Andover
Hampshire VIEW
Piece:
1978 Folio:
65 Page:
33 Registration District:
Poole

Civil Parish:
Branksome Municipal Borough:
Address:
Heavenly Bottom, Branksome County:
Dorsetshire

Based on a tree on Anc... this could be Joseph Wells who also seems to be known as Josiah - Working as a basket maker and the address listed as a gypsy van. The tree lists him as having a son George in 1896 who was baptised in Copythorne. The following son Henry b 1898 was baptised twice on 7 Jan 1898 at Brockenhurst; 12 Jan 1898 at Bransgore

1891

Name: Joseph Wells
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Wells
Gender: Male
Where born: N

Civil parish: Brockenhurst
Ecclesiastical parish: Brockenhurst
Town: Brockenhurst
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image

Registration district: Lymington
Sub-registration district: Lymington
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 899
Folio: 76
Page Number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Wells 35
Sarah Wells 35
Eliza Wells 12
Mary J Wells 9
Louisa Wells 5
Joseph Wells 4
Benjamin Wells 1
Harriet Wells 21 Sister in law
Henry Wells 22 Brother

Edit - Based on the above I wonder if this was Joseph/Josiahs death, The tree lists his death as 22 November 1915 in The Forest, Minstead, Hants

Name: Josiah Wells
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1915
Age at Death: 64
Registration district: New Forest
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 960

1911? I wonder - George is listed as 17 on the image Josiah made his mark on the form

WELLS, Josiah Head Widower M 54 1857 Travelling Beehive Maker Hants Godshill VIEW
WELLS, Joseph Son Single M 26 1885 Assistant Settey Brake VIEW
WELLS, Harriet Daughter Single M 20 1891 Travelling Hawker Dorset Ferndown VIEW
WELLS, George Son Single M 7 1904 Travelling Hawker Hants Bartley (actually 17 on the image)
JOHNSON, Troinet Boarder F 46 1865 Licensed Hawker Dorset Kingston VIEW
JOHNSON, Samuel Son Single M 16 1895 No Occupation Sussex Brighton VIEW
JOHNSON, Abraham Son Single M 14 1897 No Occupation Sussex Brighton VIEW
JOHNSON, Elias Son Single M 12 1899 No Occupation Sussex Brighton VIEW
JOHNSON, Florence Daughter F 10 1901 Sussex Brighton VIEW
JOHNSON, William Son M 4 1907 Hants Copythorne VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
5910 Reference:
RG14PN5910 RG78PN270 RD98 SD1 ED7 SN112

Registration District:
New Forest Sub District:
Lyndhurst Enumeration District:
7 Parish:
Minstead

Address:
Minstead New Forest County:
Hampshire

K

I think you have "cracked" it for me..thank you soooo........much

Yes,they were "travellers"- (or New Forest gypsys !!)

George & Matilda are my DIL maternal grandparents,

I found a tree on A*****try with Matilda in it but their interest was in Cooper so will look at the one with Josiah.

Shall now proceed to the next hurdle

Very many thanks to all who have helped

:-) :-)

Delighted its of use - my husband comes from that area and was knows it very well so he has been fascinated with all the place names

Happy Hunting Kay

I am still having trouble with this family (WELLS)

They appear in two places in 1891-Brockenhurst and Lyndhurst ,different children !!

I am wondering if they are the same family,making the enummerators job more difficult.

K .......kindly supplied the 1911 info above and I am wondering if the 1911 census with Josiah (born 1858) gives the number of children born and survived for him ?

Cannot find them in 1901 so they must have dodged that one

The 1911 census for Josiah doesn't give any info about length of marriage or number of children, probably because he was a widower.

The children were supposed to be stated for each married woman, rather than the man.

Oh....bother :-)

Thank you for letting me know !

I hadn't noticed the other Joseph Wells/Wills in 1891. I think you are right and they have been double counted.

The children names are very simliar with one child completely different in each record.