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Well instead of going to the warks RO, i have spent the evening downloading the entire PR for Brailes from As*ry....

So now i can look at my leisure :-)

I am slowly becoming more and more convinced that Elizabeth died and Esther was her replacement :-)


T x

I have found Richard's baptism Jan 24th 1790
An Elizabeth was buried jul 30 1791

Rose daughter of William and Hester Bishop was baptised 7th May 1797.

She was not the only one



Warwickshire, England, Baptisms, Marriages, and Burials, 1535-1812 about John Thopes Bishop
Name: John Thopes Bishop
Birth Date: abt 1785
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 11 Sep 1785
Parish: Brailes
Mother's name: Elizabeth Bishop

Could be worth getting Victor to Look at Gloucester Archives.

Hey LK,

That Richard is the base born son of Mary Bishop :-)

She kept on having these 'accidents' and ended up doing penance!! :-D


T x

And another Richard? Worth following up?


1851 census - household transcription
Person: BISHOP, Richard
Address: New Street, Shipston On Stour
BISHOP, Richard Head Widower M 49 1802 Labourer
Brailes
Warwickshire
BISHOP, George Son Married M 22 1829 Labourers
Shipton
Worcestershire
BISHOP, Mary Ann Wife Married F 21 1830 Labourers
Darlingscott
Worcestershire
BAYLIS, Sarah Lodger Unmarried F 30 1821 Labourers
Shipton
Worcestershire

Is this one connected?

1851 census - household transcription
Person: BISHOP, William
Address: A Cottage, Whichford
BISHOP, William Head Married M 67 1784 Road Lab
Brailes
Warwickshire
BISHOP, Elizabeth Wife Married F 67 1784
Whichford
Warwickshire

http://rimellgenealogy.blogspot.com/

Warwickshire County Records Vol. IV:
Proceedings in Quarter Sessions 1657-1665

Brayles - Michaelmas 1660: Whereas this court was this day informed on behalf of the inhabitants of Brayles in this county that Nicholas Bishopp, Thomas Bishopp, William Eddon, Michael Tennant, James Rymill, Thomas Eddon, Trubshawe Swarbricke, William Bishopp, Samuel Hadland, William Kilby, William Phipps, George Wyatt, John Cockbill, Edward Corbett, Thomas Marshall and Thomas Huckvall, inhabitants of Brayles aforesaid, do neglect and refuse to pay their levies for and towards the repair of the church and school there, it is thereupon ordered that the said several persons before named, or any of them shall refuse to do so, then the next Justice of the Peace of this county to the said parish of Brayles is desired to bind over the said several persons or such of them as shall refuse to yield obedience to this order to appear at the next General Sessions of the Peace to be holden for this county of Warwicke to answer their contempt therein

Warwickshire, England, Baptisms, Marriages, and Burials, 1535-1812
about George Bishop
Name: George Bishop
Birth Date: abt 1798
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 1 Jul 1798
Parish: Brailes
Father's Name: William Bishop
Mother's name: Esther Bishop

(this on Anc***original image, and other bits, but no Marriages, apologies if you already looked!)

Chris :)


Pallot's Marriage Index for England: 1780 - 1837
about Esther Badger
Name: Esther Badger (of Brailes)
Residence: of Brailes
Spouse: Wm Bishop
Marriage Date: 1796 (Lic.)
Parish: Sttington War (Ettington)

(to go with the previous find)

A suggestion

William and Elizabeth have Richard 1790 Brailes no other children found

then in 1801 a Willam and Esther Badger wed and start having children in Brailes

William Bishop,? Esther
name: Elizabeth Bishop
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 17 May 1801
baptism/christening place: BRAILES,WARWICK,ENGLAND
father's name: William Bishop
mother's name: Esther
indexing project (batch) number: C03994-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 557256


William and Esther

Esther Badger
name: William Bishop
event: Marriage
event date: 27 Sep 1796
event place: Eatington, Warwickshire, England
gender: Male
spouse: Esther Badger
digital folder number: 4290804

7 miles away from Brailes

Could Elizabeth have died


just read through and see Allotment has already suggested this

LK.....

You are!! :-D

T x

Interesting you should mention The Fourshire Stone. My lot lived at Fourshirestone Farm right on the boundaries. Visited it but got chased by a 90 year old waving a stick . He thought we were suspicious.

Allotment,

I hear you.... and i shall note that info down and see where it takes me.... i'm not discounting anything, but as i said, proving things now get harder.

I was rather hoping, due to the infamy of the name and the area, that this name would have been researched to within an inch of it's life..... but sadly not :-(


T x

At the min, this lot seem to wander around the Brailes, Willington, Burmington, Cherington area's.

I know the male line (assuming there are no base born in the way) stays in Brailes for quite a considerable time, but i want proof.

I had 2 certs arrive (2 days early) today which proved the info i have so far.... but sadly they were on the far reaches of dates (earliest being 1839) so after that is calculated guesswork and cross referencing on the census....

.... Once you get to the late 1790's it's hard to get any tangible proof from the census's and it's all downhill from there :-(

Looks like it'll be a tootle back to Warks RO tomorrow for me.... or maybe Friday.

I just want to exhaust everything i can do here before i go, it's a fair trek there and back :-(


T x

From memory (it's a while since I checked), the four shire stone is close by; the four counties are Warwickshire, Worcestershire, Gloucestershire and Oxfordshire. Until the county boundaries were rationalised, some parishes were part of one county, but surrounded wholly or partially by another county.

Actually, on second thoughts, I'll get my Phillimore Atlas out.

Walking clockwise round the stone from due north, you walk from Gloucs to Warks to Oxon to Worcs to Glouc to Worcs.

Brailes is on the boundary with Oxfordshire, with Swalcliffe and Hook Norton being immediate neighbours on the east; to the west, the Warwickshire villages of Whitchurch, Ilmington and Stretton on the Fosse are separated from the rest of Warwickshire by the Worcestershire parishes of Tidmington, Shipston-on-Stour, Tredington (an incumbent's peculiar) and Alderminster - and these are themselves separated from the rest of Worcestershire by a block of Gloucestershire parishes (which are stranded to the north of the rest of Gloucestershire by the Worcestershire parishes of Broadway and Blockley).

Just to complicate matters still further, Northamptonshire parishes are only ten or so miles away to the north east of Brailes.

It's therefore probably worth searching in all five counties - and watch out for parishes that are not on the IGI.

thanks, made for an interesting look around.. have bookmarked :-D

T x

check this page out.

Renes should too.

http://members.shaw.ca/panthers1/BrailesLowUp.html

http://www.allthecotswolds.com/

got it.

I am trying to remember a particuar cotswold site. back in a mo.

Ps REnes and I both have links there,

Yeah LK, ther history goes back a very long way.

This family is a direct link... only it's finding the facts to go with the history that proving hard.

William Bishop 1553 was made Titular Bishop of Chalcedon in Paris in 1623 and came back to the uk aged 70 to practice Catholicism in secret in Brailes.

It's a fascinating read.... and a fascinating family.


T x