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have received birth cert today. Ann Lyon is his mother, father not known. Thanks for you help.

am I stretching here?????

Thomas occupation on the 1871 was Collier.


1861 Census

Name: Ann Lyon
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Sutton, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Sutton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: St Helens

James Lyon 41 b.ca 1820, Eccleston, Lancashire, Collier
Susannah Lyon 41 b.ca 1820, Warrington, Lancashire
Ann Lyon 18
James Lyon 16 Watch Pinion Maker
Mary Lyon 6 Scholar
>>>>Thomas Lyon 36 b.ca 1825, Eccleston, Brother, Married, Collier
>>>>Margaret Lyon 11 b.ca 1850, Bedford, Bedfordshire, Niece, Scholar
>>>>John Lyon 13 b.ca 1848, Bedford, Nephew, Collier
>>>>Ann Lyon 5 Scholar

Address:- 52 Ravenhead Row




sylvia

could Elizabeth have had a duaghter called Anne???


This was on the new familysearch site ....... taken from the actual Parish Record


England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 for David Lyon

Name: David Lyon
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 10 Nov 1872
Baptism/Christening Place: St Thomas, Eccleston (near Prescot), Lancashire, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name:
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Anne Lyon
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02919-7
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1849656
Reference Number: item 14 p 99




sylvia

Your brilliant at this? Just new. I found this on ancestry. 1881

Name: David Lyon
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Grandson
Father's Name: Edward Lawrenson
Gender: Male
Where born: St Helens, Lancashire, England

His grandmother was married to an Edward lawrenson I believe. I have applied for the birth cert. but this has confused me.
Thanks

Possible birth for Edward?

Could Elizabeth have been married previously?

Baptisms: 18 Dec 1857 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England
Edward Lawrenson - Child of James Lawrenson & Elizabeth
Abode: Whiston
Occupation: Collier
Baptised by: F L Cursham
Register: Baptisms 1851 - 1861, Page 204, Entry 1628
Source: LDS Film 1657584


Tracey x

The birth cert will tell you whose child he is

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Births Dec 1872
LYON David - Prescot 8b 651


Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1872
LYON David- St Helens- St Helens

So we have now established from the 1891 that Vera has found, David is the child of another of Edward's siblings/step siblings.


Tracey x

1891

mistranscibed
...theres that address again ............ David is Edwards nephew


LAWRENOOD, Edwd Head Married M 35 1856 Coal Miner
St Helens
Lancashire VIEW
LAWRENOOD, Mary Wife Married F 47 1844
St Helens
Lancashire VIEW
LYEW, David Nephew Single M 18 1873 Coal Miner
St Helens
Lancashire VIEW
DAVIES, Wm Grandson Single M 5 1886
St Helens
Lancashire VIEW

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Piece:
3025 Folio:
43 Page:
22 Registration District:
Prescot

Civil Parish:
Sutton Municipal Borough:
St Helens Address:
1, Knobstick Hall, Essex Street,

Regards Vera

Their marriage

Marriages Dec 1865
Fairhurst Richard Prescot 8b 1078
Friar Cicily Prescot 8b 1078
--->Lawrenson Elizabeth Prescot 8b 1078
--->Lyon Thomas Prescot 8b 1078

T x

...oh and loving the address of the 1881 census :-D


T x

On the 1881 census Elizabeth Lyon, 61, is head, Edward Lawrenson, 25, her son and David Lyon, 8, her grandson. There's nothing on the original to suggest that Edward Lawrenson is David Lyon's father.

Edit: Oops! Should have refreshed the page, just repeated what everyone else said!

Sandra,

I think you have got yourself a little confused...

Edwards Lawrenson is listed as HER son... and little David is listed as her GRANDSON!

1881 RG number: RG11 Piece: 3739 Folio: 20 Page: 34
Reg. District: Prescot Sub District: St Helens
Address: 4, Knobstick Hall, Sutton County: Lancashire
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LYON, Elizabeth Head Widow F 61 1820 St Helens Lancashire
LAWRENSON, Edward Son Single M 25 1856 Coal Miner St Helens Lancashire
LYON, David Grand Son Single M 8 1873 Scholar St Helens Lancashire

It does not state that David is Edward's son..... David could be a child of another of Elizabeth's children.


Tracey x

????

Births Jun 1877 (>99%)
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Lawrenson David Preston 8e 669

Regards Vera

1881 For Ref

LYON, Elizabeth Head Widow F 61 1820
St Helens
Lancashire VIEW
LAWRENSON, Edward Son Single M 25 1856 Coal Miner
St Helens
Lancashire VIEW
LYON, David Grand Son Single M 8 1873 Scholar
St Helens
Lancashire VIEW
Piece:
3739 Folio:
20 Page:
34 Registration District:
Prescot

Civil Parish:
Sutton Municipal Borough:
Address:
4, Knobstick Hall, Sutton County:
Lancashire

1871 for info

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LYON, Thos Head M 45 1826 Lancashire VIEW
LYON, Elizebeth Wife F 50 1821 Lancashire VIEW
LAWRENSON, John Step-Son M 18 1853 Lancashire VIEW
LAWRENSON, Ed Step-Son M 15 1856 Lancashire VIEW
LAWRENSON, Annie Daughter F 15 1856 Lancashire VIEW

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Piece:
3866 Folio:
134 Page:
35 Registration District:
Prescot

Civil Parish:
Sutton Municipal Borough:
St Helen Address:
Jockey's Houses, Sutton, St Helen County:
Lancashire

Regards Vera

Sandra,

Where does it say that David's father is Edward Lawrenson?


Tracey x

I'm looking for a David Lyon from Prescott born 1873. He is me great grandfather. Married Margaret woods. He appears in the 1881 census as living with Elizabeth Lyon And Edward lawrenson. Davis is 8 years old and his fathers name is given as Edward Lawrenson. (confused). Elizabeth is a widow but was married to Thomas Lyon. In the 1891 census David is living with Edward his wife and child.
Any help appreciated.