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Ooo i do beg you pardon Astra.

I was otherwise engaged, sending a PM to DVP on how to reply on his thread.

Hi all

Many thanks for all the contributions to my request. I now need a bit of time to absorbe all the information that you have all kindly sent.

As always on this site everyone is kind enough to spend time helping others.

Once again many thanks & if not to late I wish you all a happy new year.

DVP

Astra

Their could well be an Irish connection in several family connections their has been references to Ireland

Marriages Sep 1862 (>99%)

Masters Joshua Lambeth 1d 583
Thomas Catherine Lambeth 1d 583

PH that was the first post on the thread!

In 1841 both William and his wife Joanna state that they come from Ireland. In later census records he states Middlesex.

1871 England Census
about Johanna Thomas Name: Johanna Thomas
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Sister-in-law
Gender: Female
Where born: Southwark, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Waterloo Road First
Household Members: Name Age
Joshua Masters 36
Catherine Masters 32
William Masters 9
Thomas Masters 11 Months
Johanna Thomas 23

Hi Patchem

Have not got a death registration or year for Johanna Nicholson as I have not got that far with her at all

Regards DVP

Hi Shirley.

I belive you have the correct William Nicholson as he & Johanna had a son Joshua born in 1874 in Cripplegate London so looks very promising

1861

Name: Johanna Thomas
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Johanna Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: Southwark, Surrey, England
Civil parish: St Giles
Ecclesiastical parish: London
Town: London
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address:9 Lincoln Court

Occupation:servant

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: St Giles
Sub-registration district: St Giles South
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 551
Piece: 169
Folio: 49
Page Number: 91
Household Members:
Name Age
Johanna Thomas 43 b Ireland widow
Joshua Martin 27Son in law
Catherine Martin 21 daughter
Johanna Thomas 15

Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 169; Folio: 49; Page: 91; GSU roll: 5425

1911 to confirm her birth place

NICHOLSON, Johannah Inmate Widow F 61 1850 Charwoman London Southwark VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1185 Reference:
RG14PN1185 RD12 SD1 ED16 SN1

Registration District:
St Giles Sub District:
St Giles and Bloomsbury Enumeration District:
16 Parish:
St Giles in the Fields and St George Bloomsbury

Address:
Endell Street St Giles WC

Do you know if this is Johanna's death?
Deaths Sep 1911
Nicholson Johanna 61 St.Giles 1b 630

Joshua Master's marriage?:
Marriages Sep 1862
Beattie Elizabeth Lambeth 1d 583
xxx Masters Joshua Lambeth 1d 583
xxx Thomas Catherine Lambeth 1d 583

So is Joshua Masters also Joshua Martin, and they delayed their wedding until 1862 even though together in 1861?

Name: William Nicholson
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Spouse Name: Johanna Thomas
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 6 Jul 1874
Parish: St Bartholomew, Moor Lane
Borough: City of London
Father Name: William Nicholson
Spouse Father Name: William Thomas
Register Type: Parish Register


Their address was Crown Court which ties with the census record I posted for William

Looks like the right William
1871871 England Census about William Nicholson
Name: William Nicholson
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Nicholson
Mother's Name: Catherine Nicholson
Gender: Male
Where born: Golden Lane
Civil parish: St Giles without Cripplegate
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: London City
Sub-registration district: Cripplegate
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 240
Piece: 417
Folio: 56
Page Number: 39
Household Members:
Name Age
William Nicholson 58occ labourer
Catherine Nicholson 56
William Nicholson 24occ labourer
Mary Ann Nicholson 4
John Doley 35
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 417; Folio: 56; Page: 39; GSU roll: 824631
address 5 Crown Court

Have you found their families in 1871 without them, or do you not have access to the censuses at all?

Is this the couple together in 1881?

She is transcribed as Hannah...?

1881 England Census
about Hannah Nicholson Name: Hannah Nicholson
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Nicholson
Gender: Female
Where born: London, City of, London, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Sepulchre
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 10 New St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Charwoman

Registration district: London City
Sub-registration district: St Sepulchre
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 374
Folio: 106
Page Number: 5
Household Members: Name Age
William Nicholson 34 (General Labourer)
Hannah Nicholson 31
John Mahney 72 (Lodger)
Elizabeth Stonman 61 (Lodger)

Possible

MASTERS, Joshua Head M 36 1835 Middlesex VIEW
MASTERS, Catherine Wife F 32 1839 Surrey VIEW
MASTERS, William Son M 9 1862 Middlesex VIEW
MASTERS, Thomas Son M 0 1871 Surrey VIEW
THOMAS, Johanna Sister-In-Law F 23 1848 Surrey VIEW

Civil Parish:
Lambeth Municipal Borough:
Lambeth Address:
Windmill St, Little, Lambeth County:
London, Surrey


Same Johanna as a child in 1851. Travelling salesman taken a little far perhaps.


THOMAS, William Head Married M 40 1811 Beggar
Middlesex VIEW
THOMAS, Johanna Wife Married F 30 1821 Beggar
Ireland VIEW
THOMAS, Mary Ann Daughter F 12 1839 Scholar
Whitechapel
Middlesex VIEW
THOMAS, Kitty Daughter F 11 1840 Beggar
Southwark
Surrey VIEW
THOMAS, Johanna Daughter F 6 1845 Beggar
Southwark
Surrey VIEW
Piece:
1563 Folio:
80 Page:
3 Registration District:
Saint George Southwark

Civil Parish:
Saint George the Martyr Municipal Borough:
Southwark Address:
3, Mint Street, Saint George The Martyr, Southwark County:
Surrey

If at all possible could someone please look up two families for me on the 1871 census.

1/ Johanna Thomas born c1850 in London City, Middlesex. occupation poss a Charwoman.
Father was William Thomas a Commercial Traveller age unknown.
Mother's name & age unknown.

2/ William Nicholson born c1847 in London City, Middlesex a general labourer.
Father was William Nicholson a labourer age unknown
Mother's name & age unknown.

The only other details I have which may help is that Johanna & William married on 6th July 1874 & their witnesses were a William & Catherine Nicholson.

I'm sorry but I do not have any other information that may help ??. fingers crossed someone will come up trumps, they normally do.

Kind regards