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I am getting icreasingly frustrated at failing to find Eleanor Shenton on the 1911 census.
She is on the 1901 Census, date of birth 1849, living in 30 Salop Street, Kirkdale along with her husband, Randle, son Joseph aged 19 and daughter Mabel aged 9.
Joseph gets married in the following decade and is easily found in 1911 census.
Randle is also found in 1911 but living alone, still married, and has 2 boarders.
Perhaps Eleanor and Mabel were away at the time of the census but I cannot find them anywhere, using all variants of spellings.
I have tried Ancestry, FMP, 1911census etc.
I have found a Mrs Shenton on 1911census and an entry for surname Shenton with no first names on FMP.
These records do not appear on GR search which is where I have my subscription.

Would anyone be able to help me find Eleanor and/or Mabel in 1911?
Mabel didn't marry until 1920 and Eleanor died in 1916 so they both should be on the 1911 census somewhere.

Thanks in anticipation.

Have you checked out passenger lists ?

Eleanor Shenton is shown going to Canada in 1909 but I do not have access to check if the same person - on FMP. Although there does not seem to be any entry for a Mabel

Also can not check out Border Crossings: From Canada to U.S., 1895-1956 which is a possible on Ancestry

So this isn't her then ?

1911
Household - SHENTON ELEANOR - F - 1849 - 62 - Lambeth London



Could she have been visiting Mabel
INSTITUTION- SHENTON MABEL - F - 1894 -17 - Holborn London

Ruled that one out as born in Alverstoke, Hants

Mike - no they are not the same. Mabel was born in August 1891 but will show as 1892 on the census.
She married in Edward William Matthews in 1920 in a civil marriage in Wrexham and had twins in November 1921. Mabel died in 1932 and is buried in Wrexham.

I am really curious to find out what the entry with no forename is on FMP which GR doesn't want to give access. I'm guessing that the option of no forename does not exist in GR queries. I just hope it is Eleanor but she may have been visiting one of her children.
Thanks folks.

This one without a chirstian name

SMITH, Levi Head Married M 45 1866 Potter Sagger Maker Staffordshire Longton VIEW
SMITH, Ann Wife Married
12 years F 42 1869 Staff Longton VIEW
SMITH, Eliza Daughter Single F 22 1889 Gilder Longton VIEW
SMITH, Bessie Daughter Single F 20 1891 Warehouse Stoke on Trent Longton VIEW
SMITH, James Son Single M 18 1893 Potter Claywedger Stoke on Trent Longton VIEW
SMITH, Levi Son Single M 16 1895 Warehouse Stoke on Trent Longton VIEW
SMITH, Mary Jane Daughter Single F 15 1896 Warehouse Stoke on Trent Longton VIEW
SMITH, Anthony Son Single M 13 1898 Bakehouse Taking Out Bread Stoke on Trent Longton VIEW
SMITH, Robert Son Single M 11 1900 School Stoke on Trent Longton VIEW
SMITH, Beatrice Daughter Single F 9 1902 School Stoke on Trent Longton VIEW
SMITH, Ann Daughter Single F 7 1904 School Stoke on Trent Longton VIEW
SMITH, Samuel Son Single M 5 1906 School Stoke on Trent Longton VIEW
SMITH, Ida Daughter Single F 4 1907 Stoke on Trent Longton VIEW
SMITH, Albert Son Single M 2 1909 Stoke on Trent Longton VIEW
SHENTON Mother In Law Widow F 64 1847 Longton Staff VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
16599 Reference:
RG14PN16599 RG78PN1025 RD361 SD4 ED12 SN226

Registration District:
Stoke upon Trent Sub District:
Longton Enumeration District:
12 Parish:
Longton

Address:
14 Warren St Longton Stoke - on - Trent

The second one without a christian name

SHENTON, Thomas Head Single M 37 1874 Boiler Maker Lancs Liverpool VIEW
SHENTON Mother Widow F 62 1849 Roven France Resident VIEW
SHENTON, Elisabeth Sister Single F 32 1879 Tailoress Lancs Liverpool VIEW
IRELAND, Richard Nephew M 10 1901 At School Hyde Cheshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
22461 Reference:
RG14PN22461 RG78PN1323 RD455 SD6 ED18 SN178

Registration District:
West Derby Sub District:
Kirkdale Enumeration District:
18 Parish:
Kirkdale

Address:
32 North Dingle Kirkdale Liverpool

Thanks GlitterBaby, this was the record I wanted to see.
I don't think it's the correct Mrs Eleanor Shenton but now I can access it through the other names on the list.
I have ordered Mabel's marriage certificate which may help somewhat.

Thanks everyone. :-)

Ok, so we are now sure that the Shenton family we are looking at is the correct one.
I have had Mabel and Edward's marriage certificate which shows Mabel's father as Randle Shenton, Civil Engineer and Edward's father Charles Matthews, Coal Minor.
Mabel and Edward married from the same address in Wrexham and married at the Registry Office.

Another peculiarity about the Shenton family is that although there is a well documented Shenton family site, I simply cannot find the actual birth records of Mabel's father Randle, born around 1849, nor his father, also Randle, born around 1808.

Even though the census states the place of birth etc, I suppose this is only based on the information given to the enumerator at the time.

Does anyone have any ideas about how to find the birth record for Randle Shenton 1849, or Randle Shenton 1808-9.

Again, there is a record on FMP 1861 census for Randal Shanton born 1809 which does not appear when looking on GR ... and when I search for Shanton on FMP, it has disappeared!

So, any ideas gratefully received.

Thanks folks.

Heather

any help?


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SHANTON, Randal Head Married M 52 1809 Ship Carpenter
Liverpool VIEW
SHANTON, Elizabeth Wife Married F 50 1811
Liverpool VIEW
SHANTON, John Son Unmarried M 21 1840 Ship Carpenter
Liverpool VIEW
SHANTON, Randal Son Unmarried M 21 1840 Scholar
Liverpool VIEW

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Piece:
2658 Folio:
88 Page:
45 Registration District:
Liverpool

Civil Parish:
Liverpool Municipal Borough:
Address:
56, Darwen Street, Liverpool County:
Lancashire


Dea x

Dea that is brilliant and the right people - thank you so much.

I have just found 'Randel' and Elizabeth on the 1841 census but no children. Looks like John and Randle were twins too.

Can your results be accessed via GR at all?

Many, many thanks.

Heather

Lancs OPC has these entries which must be connected?

Baptisms: 26 Feb 1792 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Randal Shenton - Son of Randal Shenton & Ann
Born: 2 Jan 1792
Abode: Tythe barn street
Occupation: Maltster
Register: Baptisms 1792, Page 253, Entry 178
Source: LDS Film 93833

Baptisms: 12 Mar 1809 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Randle Shenton - Son of John Shenton & Catharine (formerly Appleton), His Wife
Born: 8 Mar
Abode: Pall Mall
Occupation: Chair Maker
Register: Baptisms 1809, Page 376, Entry 320
Source: LDS Film 93833

Burial: 9 Feb 1831 Low Hill Cemetery, Everton, Lancashire, England
Randel Shenton -
Age: 84
Abode: Pall Mall
Grave: 6276
Cause of Death: Old Age
Buried by: John Bruce
Register: Burials 1830 - 1831, Page 53, Entry 3810
Source: LDS Film 560881

Dea x

I don't know what you can get via GR - I got the info from FMP site.

Dea x

????

Baptisms: 18 Nov 1839 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John Shenton - Child of Randle Shenton & Elizabeth
Abode: Hedley St
Occupation: Shipwright
Baptised by: Tho. MacGill Curate
Register: Baptisms 1839 - 1840, Page 6, Entry 45
Source: LDS Film 1656423

Randal is aged 11 on the original - not 21

1861

SHANTON, Randal Head Married M 52 1809 Ship Carpenter
Liverpool VIEW
SHANTON, Elizabeth Wife Married F 50 1811
Liverpool VIEW
SHANTON, John Son Unmarried M 21 1840 Ship Carpenter
Liverpool VIEW
SHANTON, Randal Son Unmarried M 21 1840 Scholar
Liverpool VIEW

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Piece:
2658 Folio:
88 Page:
45 Registration District:
Liverpool

Civil Parish:
Liverpool Municipal Borough:
Address:
56, Darwen Street, Liverpool County:
Lancashire

looks like June 24th as birth date on original -


Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Baptisms, 1813-1906


Name: Randle Shenton
Birth Date: 24 Jan 1849
Baptism Date: 22 Jul 1849
Parish: Liverpool St Peter
Father's Name: Randle Shenton
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Shenton



Source Citation: Liverpool Record Office, 283 PET/2/38.

Hi folks.

I have found the original 'Randal Shanton' and he is mistakenly transcribed as 21 years old.

Many thanks for all your help - much appreciated.

Heather