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FMP Baptism/Immigration Help Please

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Joy *The Carlos Cutie of Ilson*

Joy *The Carlos Cutie of Ilson* Report 14 Sep 2012 12:27

Old thread I know but didn't want to repeat the searches!

I now have the BIRTH Certificates for Clara and Agnes as well as Agnes's death. They were twins, born to my 2xGreat-Grandmother, Agnes Matilda Huntsworth on 1st March 1880. Agnes died on 19th June 1880

By 1881 Agnes is living in Lancashire.

1881 for reference:

Name: Agnes Huntsworth
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Middleton Chearney, Northamptonshire, England
Civil parish: North Meols
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 29 Park Rd
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Housemaid Dom Serv
Registration district: Ormskirk
Sub-registration district: North Meols
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3748
Folio: 69
Page Number: 31
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary J. Barkerton 35
Frances Barkerton 25
Sarah E. Wheeler 14
Bertha Mather 14
Gertrude Porter 14
Jessie M. Porter 12
Amy Charnwick 13
Annie Charnwick 11
Dora (Twin) Bowden 12
Ethel Mary (Twin) Bowden 12
Edith Martin 12
Amelia Bumford 12
Anne E. Branwell 10
Frances H. Rydal 17
Margaret Gigonoc 18
Mary E. Hall 25
>>>>>>>Agnes Huntsworth 22
Bessie Raipom 44
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I also have all the certificates to prove my connection to Agnes Matilda, even though she lies about her age at the time of marriage.

Can't find a death for Clara Huntsworth/Hunsworth/Unsworth anywhere in England, so I'm thinking Agnes left her in Derby to be raised by Elizabeth Lakin and Clara was never told who her real mother was, but was told she'd had a twin sister and used Agnes first name as her middle name. Thinking this is right because Agnes gave birth to my Great-Grandmother, Alice T Huntsworth, in Derby on 21st June 1877 and she's living with her Grandmother and Aunt in 1881.

Name: Alice T. Huntsworth
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Derbyshire, England
Civil parish: Derby St Werburgh
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street Address: 17 Victoria Terrace Macklin St
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Derby
Sub-registration district: Derby
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3400
Folio: 128
Page Number: 49
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth S. Huntsworth 63
Mary E. Huntsworth 31
>>>>>>Alice T. Huntsworth 3
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And here was me thinking that this branch of my family would be easy to trace, considering the unusual surname!

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 7 Jan 2012 15:46

How sad, the other son died young too:

Illinois, Deaths and Stillbirths Index, 1916-1947

Name: George James Allen
Birth Date: 1 Jul 1902
Birth Place: England
Death Date: 3 Sep 1934
Death Place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Burial Date: 6 Sep 1934
Burial Place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Cemetery Name: Rosehill
Death Age: 32
Occupation: Painter
Race: White
Marital Status: S
Gender: Male
Residence: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Father Name: George Allen
Father Birth Place: England
Mother Name: Agness Turner ???
Mother Birth Place: England
FHL Film Number: 1907322

Now, on some records Clara is Clara A - could she be Clara Agnes? I guess the surname could be a corruption of Unsworth/Huntsworth as known by the informant?

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 7 Jan 2012 15:38

Sadly, their son Albert died quite young:

Illinois, Deaths and Stillbirths Index, 1916-1947

Name: Albert Frederick Allen
Birth Date: 3 Aug 1907
Birth Place: Canada
Death Date: 16 Nov 1939
Death Place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Burial Date: 20 Nov 1939
Burial Place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Cemetery Name: Irving Park Blvd
Death Age: 32
Occupation: Tanner
Race: White
Marital Status: S
Gender: Male
Residence: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Father Name: George Ernst Allen
Father Birth Place: England
Mother Name: Clara Hunsuntte
Mother Birth Place: England
FHL Film Number: 1953492

Birthplace confusion may be because he'd lived in Canada when very young.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 7 Jan 2012 15:30

Clara's death confirms mother's name:

Illinois, Deaths and Stillbirths Index, 1916-1947

Name: Clara Allen
Birth Date: abt 1879
Death Date: 20 May 1946
Death Place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois, United States
Death Age: 67
Gender: Female
Father Name: Charles
Mother Name: Elizabeth Lakin
Spouse Name: George
FHL Film Number: 1985099

Joy *The Carlos Cutie of Ilson*

Joy *The Carlos Cutie of Ilson* Report 7 Jan 2012 15:25

Thanks a lot people, looks like we've solved part of the mystery of Clara between us. :-D

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 7 Jan 2012 15:02

1916 Canada Census of Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta about Albert F Allen
Name: Albert F Allen
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 9
Est. Birth Year: 1907
Birthplace: England
Home in 1916: 31, Winnipeg Centre, Manitoba
Address: 304 Ferry Street
Racial or Tribal Origin: English
Relation to Head of Household: Son
Father's Name: George E Allen
Mother's name: Clara Allen
Sub District Desc.: That portion of the city of Winnipeg constituting the electoral district of Winnipeg Centre, as defined by the Representation Act, 1914
Household Members:
Name Age
George E Allen 39
Clara Allen 37
George J Allen 14
Albert F Allen 9
Source Citation: Year: 1916; Census Place: Manitoba, Winnipeg Centre, 31; Roll: T-21932; Page: 53; Family No: 646

Maureen

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 7 Jan 2012 14:50

May be arrival in Canada:

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935

Name: Clara Allen
Gender: Female
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Date of Arrival: 7 May 1910
Vessel: Virginian
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-4765

Travelling with James 4 and Albert 3. Onward destination was Winnipeg to be with husband.

Children's ages a bit out but seems too close to that 1930 not to be.

RutlandBelle

RutlandBelle Report 7 Jan 2012 14:47

according to that 1930 US census the 2 sons were born in England

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 7 Jan 2012 14:42

1930 United States Federal Census

Name: Clara Allen
Birth Year: abt 1878
Home in 1930: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's Name: George Allen < Carpenter (Construction)
Occupation:
Education:
Military Service:
Rent/home value:
Age at first marriage:
Parents' birthplace: England

Household Members: Name Age
George Allen 54 < Carpenter
Clara Allen 52
George J Allen 28 < House Painter
Albert Allen 22

All born England and all say arrived in US 1923

Joy *The Carlos Cutie of Ilson*

Joy *The Carlos Cutie of Ilson* Report 7 Jan 2012 14:41

Considering George's occupation of Rly Coach Finisher (Wood) in 1901 I would say that's them crossing from Canada to the USA in 1923, there's certainly no trace of them in 1911 that I can find.

Thanks for checking those baptisms, looks like I'll have to get the birth certificates to find out who they belong to.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 7 Jan 2012 14:37

Welcome back Joy.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 about Charles William Huntsworth
Name: Charles William Huntsworth
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1872
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: Derby
Inferred County: Derbyshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 273

RutlandBelle

RutlandBelle Report 7 Jan 2012 14:34

Border Crossings: From Canada to U.S., 1895-1956

this one has a wife Clara A

Name: George E Allen
Arrival Date: Mar 1923
Port of Arrival: St Albans, Vermont, United States
Age: 46 Years 6 Months
Birth Date: abt 1876
Birth Country: England

occ : Carpenter
Gender: Male
Race/Nationality: English

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 7 Jan 2012 14:34

Afraid, this is all it gives for Agnes:

Parish Records Collection - baptism
Year: 1880
Relationship:
Forenames: Agnes
Surname: Huntsworth
SubDistrict: Derby
County: Derbyshire
Country: England
Register Office: South Derbyshire (Derby)
Reference: DB/114/003
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Record source: Derbyshire Registrars Birth Index
Data provider: Derbyshire Family History Society
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and Charles William:

Year: 1872
Relationship:
Forenames: Charles William
Surname: Huntsworth
SubDistrict: Derby St Peter
County: Derbyshire
Country: England
Register Office: South Derbyshire (Derby)
Reference: SPB/79/061

Joy *The Carlos Cutie of Ilson*

Joy *The Carlos Cutie of Ilson* Report 7 Jan 2012 14:16

Have been away from the board for quite a while due to family problems but am getting back into it now and have a puzzle to solve. I have a 'Huntsworth' family in my family tree going back to Derby.

There are these three baptisms in Derby and I would appreciate it if someone could check the record to see if it says who the parents are.

HUNTSWORTH Agnes 1880 Derby Derbyshire VIEW
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HUNTSWORTH Charles William 1872 Derby St Peter Derbyshire VIEW
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HUNTSWORTH Clara 1880 Derby Derbyshire VIEW
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I know Agnes & Charles died as a babies but Clara has always been a puzzle. However, I think I've solved that with a full Census sub at FMP.

Clara in 1881?

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation
Disability Where Born Original
census
image
LAKIN, Elizabeth Head Widow F 47 1834 Charwoman
Bath
Somerset VIEW
MEAKIN, Charles Lodger Married M 49 1832 Carriers Waggoner
Duffield
Derbyshire VIEW
MEAKIN, Chas Hy Lodger Single M 17 1864 Gimp Hand
Derby
Derbyshire VIEW
UNSWORTH, Clara Nurse Child Single F 1 1880
Derby
Derbyshire VIEW
Piece:
3395 Folio:
90 Page:
30 Registration District:
Derby

Civil Parish:
St Peter Municipal Borough:
Address:
26, Back Sitwell St, St Peter County:
Derbyshire

Clara in 1891?
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation
Disability Where Born Original
census
image
LAKIN, Elizabeth Head Widow F 60 1831
Wolverton
Buckinghamshire VIEW
LAKIN, Alfred Hy Son Single M 30 1861 Platers Labourer
Lambeth
London VIEW
HUNSWORTH, Clara Nursechild F 11 1880 Scholar
Derby
Derbyshire VIEW
MEAKIN, Charles Lodger Married M 59 1832 Night Watchman
Duffield
Derbyshire VIEW
Piece:
2728 Folio:
23 Page:
15 Registration District:
Derby

Civil Parish:
St Peter Municipal Borough:
Derby Address:
26, Sitwell Street, St Peter, Derby County:
Derbyshire

Clara's Marriage?

Marriages Sep 1899 (>99%)
>>>>>Allen George Ernest Derby 7b 1071
Green Thomas Derby 7b 1071
>>>>>Hunsworth Clara Agnes Derby 7b 1071
Regan Ann Derby 7b 1071

Clara & George in 1901
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation
Disability Where Born Original
census
image
ALLEN, George E Head Married M 24 1877 Rly Coach Finisher (Wood)
Long Eaton
Derbyshire VIEW
ALLEN, Clara A Wife Married F 23 1878
Derby
Derbyshire VIEW
Piece:
3217 Folio:
118 Page:
28 Registration District:
Derby

Civil Parish:
Derby Municipal Borough:
Address:
116, Shaftesbury Crescent, Derby County:
Derbyshire

The problem I have now is finding George and Clara post 1901 and there are several emigrating between 1901 and 1911. Any help much appreciated.