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Hi mgnv,
Thank you for your reply, I have only just found it.
Happy New Year.
Ann

Frederick enlisted in Feb 1916. You can check out his CEF attestation papers via:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-100.01-e.php

[Dundas is just W of Hamilton, in Wentworth Co]

Thank you very much Jaz that could be him & would explain why I haven’t found him in the English1911 census, I haven’t yet found him in the1911 Canadian census under any variation of KAY, I know he was in Ontario in 1913
He was wrongly transcribed as RAY when he married.
Thank you again for your help.
Ann

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passenger transcript details
Name: Fred KAY
Date of departure: 31 March 1911
Port of departure: Liverpool
Passenger destination port: Halifax, Canada
Passenger destination: Halifax, Canada

Date of Birth:
Age:
Marital status: Single
Sex: Male
Occupation: Lab
Passenger recorded on: Page 6 of 35




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Ship:
Official Number:
Master's name:
Steamship Line:
Where bound:
Square feet:
Registered tonnage:
Passengers on voyage:
VIRGINIAN
121219
J Gambell
Allan Line Steamship Co Ltd
Saint John NB, Canada
21301
6843
0

Thank you very much Jaz but that isn’t him, Oh blow , he went to Canada. Thank you for looking

passenger transcript details
Name: Fred KAY
Date of departure: 13 November 1913
Port of departure: London
Passenger destination port: Wellington, New Zealand
Passenger destination: Wellington, New Zealand

Date of Birth: 1891 (calculated from age)
Age: 22
Marital status:
Sex: Male
Occupation: Farming
Passenger recorded on: Page 2 of 16





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The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -

Mrs KAY Page 2 of 16 View transcript
Evelyn KAY Page 2 of 16 View transcript
Mary KAY Page 2 of 16 View transcript
Thos KAY Page 2 of 16 View transcript

Thank you all very much that is him & his family & thanks for the info,
Fred went to Canada before 21.9.1913, I see there is a
“passenger lists Genes Reunited Kay Fred [born]1891 London 1913” Please is it possible for someone
to look him up,
Thank you .
Ann E

1891 ??

Name: Frederick W Stanier
[Frederick W Kay]
Age: 2/12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Daniel Stanier
Gender: Male
Where born: Isle of Wight, Ryde

Civil parish: Ryde
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Isle Of Wight
Sub-registration district: Ryde
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 890
Folio: 75
Page Number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
Daniel Stanier 71
Catharine Stanier 71
Mabel L White 24
Ellen Stanier 34 - Kay
Alice J Stanier 15 - Kay
Bertram C Stanier 1 - Kay
Dencil J Stanier 2/12 - Kay - this should read as Darrell Frank Kay
Frederick W Stanier 2/12 - Kay



Stainer and White are the household above and on a different schedule

parents: Thomas Kay
spouse: Ellen Lacy


groom's name: William Kay
bride's name: Ellen Lacy
bride's birth date: 1855
bride's age: 17
marriage date: 25 Dec 1872
marriage place: Ryde, Hampshire, England
groom's father's name: Thomas Kay
bride's father's name: Joseph Lacy
indexing project (batch) number: M16666-2
system origin: England-VR
source film number: 1470890

name: Ellen Lacey
event: Census
event date: 02 Apr 1871
gender: Female
age: 15
relationship to head of household: Servant
birthplace: Haven, Isle Of Wight
record type: Household
registration district: Isle Of Wight
sub-district: Ryde
event parish: Ryde
county: Hampshire

William Kay married Ellen Lacey in 1872 in St Thomas, Ryde

According to Isle of Wight FHS

The other name shown is Lacey for maiden name of mother

name: Frederick Kay
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
gender: Male
age: 9
relationship to head of household: Pauper
birthplace: Ryde, Hampshire
record type: Institution
registration district: Isle Of Wight
sub-district: Newport
ecclesiastical parish: Carisbrooke St Mary The Virgin
civil parish: Carisbrooke
county: Hampshire

Ancestry....

1901 England Census about Frederick Kay
Name: Frederick Kay
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation: Pauper
Gender: Male
Where born: Ryde, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Carisbrooke
Ecclesiastical parish: Carisbrooke St Mary the Virgin
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Isle of Wight
Sub-registration district: Newport
ED, institution, or vessel: Isle of Wight Union Workhouse

Frederick Kay 9

parents: William Kay,? Ellen


name: Frederick William Kay
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 08 Mar 1891
baptism/christening place: All Saints, Ryde, Hampshire, England
father's name: William Kay
mother's name: Ellen
indexing project (batch) number: C16662-1
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1470883

He is Kay on ancestry, a pauper.

Please a look up in Genes R 1901 in the index
“Frederick HAY 1892 Ryde Hants Isle Of Wight “
I am wondering if he has been miss transcribed? I haven’t found him on another index,
I am hoping he may be Frederick KAY.
Thank you
Ann E
:-S