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Mike - very sorry.
Olwen :-(

Wish you had said that the parents probably married in Ireland.
Would have saved a lot of speculation.

Ignore the marriage I posted earlier in that case.

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1848
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
USHER James BOYLAN Mary Liverpool, Our Lady & St. Nicholas & St. Anne Liverpool 2053LP/19/496

Thanks for this. Will order the birth certificate for James Usher.
I think that James and Bridget were married in Ireland, As they first appear in the 1851 census and they already had a daughter born in Ireland in 1842.

:-)

Olwyn, the birth certificate certainly should show maiden name (and former, if any)

I would always check FreeBMD for records http://www.freebmd.org.uk

I'd hazard a guess that the reason they mightn't have registered Francis is because he was illegitimate, whereas James wasn't - that's if the marriage Mike posted above was correct.

It was this site that I checked for the birth details for James Usher !! Thanks for the correct volume number. This is the right census for Francis Usher. I just thought it was strange that they registered James but not Francis.

Would either of these birth certificates show their mother's maiden name.

Baptisms: 25 Jun 1848 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Francis Usher - Child of James Usher & Bridget
Born: 17 Jun 1848
Abode: Gt Howard St
Occupation: Porter
Baptised by: J. G. Headlam Curate


Maybe James and Bridget married in Ireland.

I would get brother James' birth cert to check out Bridget's maiden name.

1851

USHER, James Head M 30 1821 Porter
Ireland VIEW
USHER, Bridget Wife Married F 34 1817 Wife
Ireland VIEW
USHER, Francis Son Unmarried M 2 1849 Home
Liverpool
Lancashire VIEW
USHER, Mary Daughter Unmarried F 9 1842 Scholar
Ireland VIEW
MCNULTY, Peter Nephew Unmarried M 14 1837 Porter
Ireland VIEW
FERAN, Edward Lodger Married M 38 1813 Labourer
Ireland VIEW
Piece:
2180 Folio:
340 Page:
35 Registration District:
Liverpool

Civil Parish:
Liverpool Municipal Borough:
Address:
2, Manley Place, Wood Street, Liverpool County:
Lancashire

Looks like he was born before parents married

Marriages Dec 1848 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Boylan Mary Liverpool 20 273
Dolan Thomas Liverpool 20 273
HORN Ann Liverpool 20 273
************KERRMAN Bridget Liverpool 20 273
Russell Margaret Liverpool 20 273
Spelman Andrew Liverpool 20 273
************Usher James Liverpool 20 273
White James Liverpool 20 273


EDIT .. No, not this marriage

Wrong pairing.

Not seeing an obvious registration, but as there was no pressure on parents to register births until about 1874 many were not registered.

For DOB reference
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


FRANCIS USHER

Birth: 17 JUN 1848

Christening: 25 JUN 1848 Saint Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Parents:
Father: JAMES USHER
Mother: BRIDGET

Hi Olwen, where have you searched for the birth records?

There is no "xx" on the FreeBMD record:

Births Dec 1851
USHER James Liverpool 20 301

new query re my post 4/3


Help please in finding the birth details of the above. I have found his baptismal record for 25/6/1848 at St peter's in Liverpool. Also found him on 1851 census. parents James and Bridget Usher.
I want to order his Birth certificate but need the reference number,
Also the birth of his brother James Usher born 1851 shows the volume No as XX (is this right).

Thanks Olwen
:-)