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Hi

I am looking to track down ancestors and family for John Thomas Scanlon born in Ireland on or around 1887 but am struggling to find out where he came from in Ireland or any of his relations.

Information I have so far is:
- he married Mary Anne Hughes (from Westmeath in Ireland, father John a farmer) in Birmingham on 3rd November 1915
- according to his marriage certificate he was aged 27 (i.e. DOB 1887-88) and his father was Martin Scanlon who was a farmer
- the marriage cert was witnessed by Bridget Hughes (sister) and James Matthew Doherty.
- Death Certificate - shows died of TB on 22 June 1926 aged 40 in Birmingham (which would mean DOB 1885-86?) notified by James Doherty, Brother in Law.

Unfortunately I don't know where he came from in Ireland or the names of any other siblings although know he was a Roman Catholic.

He had 5 children named: (Mary - b1916); Martin (b1917); Margaret (b1919); Noreen (b1920) and John Thomas (b1922).

If anyone can help to track down any further information then would be very grateful.

Many thanks.

Paul Scanlon

Start by looking at the 1901 and 1911 Irish censuses........free to all. Google for web link

Hi Flick

Thanks for the tip, do you know if the 1901 census data is complete as I have only been able to find 5 possible matches for a John Scanlon (son of Martin) around the age of 14 as shown below:

Age 12: Head of family is Martin Scanlon ; Ballydoogan; Kilmacowen; Sligo
Age 12: Head of family is Bartly Scanlon (aged 60 - poss gf) ; Carrowreagh ; Toomour; Sligo
Age 13: Head of family is Bartly Scanlon (aged 60 - poss gf) ; Tully ; Templevanny ; Sligo
Age 14: Head of family is widow Margaret Mary Scanlon (born in Co Galway) ; Sunbury Gardens ; Rathmines & Rathgar East ; Dublin
Age 15: pupil at school in Castledawson Avenue, Blackrock, Dublin - originally from Co Sligo


Is there any way of obtaining any Irish data pre 1901 in relation to births, baptisms, marriages so I can try an narrow it down further??

Many thanks.

Paul Scanlon

Have a skim through this thread for useful Irish research resources:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/genealogy_chat/thread/951721

Google again...................this time for Irish bmd

The GRO(I) index thru 1958 (excl N. Ireland post-partition) is available at:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=EUROPE

One can purchase certs (or cheaper still, the uncertified images of the rego) via:
http://www.groireland.ie/

The Irish 1901/1911 censuses are free at:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
[Not heard of any release dates for next census (=1926 in both Irelands)]

Most City of Dublin parish registers are free online at:
http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/
[There are also Carlow, Cork & Kerry OPRs there too]

Only birth i can find with a John Thomas as name on,
John Thomas Scanlon Sligo Jan-Mar 1889 Volumn 2 Page 316

Betty.

Hi

Thanks for all the feedback, I am gradually trawling through a whole range of data sources and gathering a lot of data about Scanlons in general but finding it hard to nail down my specifc John Scanlon.

Does anyone know if the 1901 is complete i.e. covered every resident of Ireland as if this is the case then would suggest I have only 4 likely candidates.

Also, excuse my ignorance, but where did Betty/Clover find the Irish birth records and is there any mention of the parents names??

I ideally need to narrow down my search further by finding the birth of a John (Thomas) Scanlon around 1888 whose father was Martin (slightly unusual for Scanlons) but I don't seem to be able to track down any online records for this???

Any specific advice would be welcome.

Many thanks.

Paul Scanlon

Hi Paul i got the information from www.familysearch.ie

Betty.

The father of the John that Betty found is a Gardener.

Residents of a house 2 in Ballydoogan (Kilmacowen, Sligo)
Show all informationSurname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses
Scanlon Martin 58 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Sligo Gardener Read and write Irish and English Married -
Scanlon Norah 53 Female Wife Roman Catholic Co Sligo - Read Irish and English Married -
Scanlon James 25 Male Son R C Co Sligo Fireman Read and write - Not Married -
Scanlon Jane 18 Female Daughter R C Co Sligo Dress Maker Read and write - Not Married -
Scanlon Margret 15 Female Daughter R C Co Sligo Monitress Read and write - Not Married -
Scanlon John 12 Male Son R C Co Sligo Scholar Read and write - Not Married -
Scanlon Robert 9 Male Son R C Co Sligo Scholar Read and write - Not Married -
Williams Norah 4 Female Cousin R C Co Sligo Scholar Cannot read - Not Married -



From familysearch

This may be the marriage for the above couple and births for some of the children.

Groom's Name: Martinus Scanlon
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Honoria Mcgoldrick
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 18 Apr 1869
Marriage Place: Roman Catholic,Calry,Sligo,Ireland
Groom's Father's Name:
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name:
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M70164-1
System Origin: Ireland-ODM
Source Film Number: 989736
Reference Number:


Name: James Scanlon
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date:
Baptism/Christening Place:
Birth Date: 29 Nov 1875
Birthplace: Sligo, Ireland
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Martin Scanlon
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Honoria Mc Gouldrick
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C70160-3
System Origin: Ireland-EASy
Source Film Number: 255940
Reference Number: v 17-1 p 324

Name: Pat Scanlon
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date:
Baptism/Christening Place:
Birth Date: 02 Mar 1872
Birthplace: Sligo, Ireland
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Martin Scanlon
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Honor Mcgoldrick
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01237-6
System Origin: Ireland-EASy
Source Film Number: 255841
Reference Number: v 2-1 p 397


Name: Martin Scanlon
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date:
Baptism/Christening Place:
Birth Date: 17 Sep 1873
Birthplace: Sligo, Sligo, Ireland
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Martin Scanlon
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Honoria Mc Golrick
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C70153-9
System Origin: Ireland-EASy
Source Film Number: 255884
Reference Number: v 12-1 p 324


Name: Mary Ann Scanlon
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date:
Baptism/Christening Place: SLIGO, SLIGO, IRE
Birth Date: 16 Jun 1870
Birthplace: Sligo, Sligo, Ire
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Martin Scanlon
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Honor Mcgolrick
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C70251-9
System Origin: Ireland-VR
Source Film Number: 101206
Reference Number: 394

Name: Joseph Michael Scanlon
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date:
Baptism/Christening Place:
Birth Date: 11 Mar 1879
Birthplace: Finisklin, Sligo, Ireland
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Martin Scanlon
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Honoria Mcgoldrick Scanlon
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01699-7
System Origin: Ireland-EASy
Source Film Number: 256021
Reference Number: v 2-1 p 355


Name: Honoria Scanlon
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date:
Baptism/Christening Place:
Birth Date: 15 Aug 1877
Birthplace: St. John, Sligo, Ireland
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Martin Scanlon
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Honoria Scanlon Mcgoldrick
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00726-7
System Origin: Ireland-EASy
Source Film Number: 255987
Reference Number: v 12-1 p 339


Not seeing any of the above family on the 1911 Irish Census.

Betty/RootGatherer

Many thanks for your assistance, from the information provided plus some further investigation I have managed to establish more detail......

In 1901 - living in in Ballydoogan, Kilmacowen, Sligo:

Scanlon Martin 58 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Sligo Gardener
Scanlon Norah (aka Honoria) 53 Female Wife - married (Honoria McGoldrick ) 18 Apr 1869 in Calry,Sligo
Scanlon Mary Ann 16 Jun 1870 31 Female Daughter of Honoria R C Sligo, Co Sligo
Scanlon Pat 02 Mar 1872 29 Male Son of Honoria R C Sligo, Co Sligo
Scanlon Martin 17 Sep 1873 28 Male Son of Honoria R C Sligo, Co Sligo
Scanlon James 29 Nov 1875 25 Male Son of Honoria R C Sligo, Co Sligo Fireman
Scanlon Honoria 15 Aug 1877 24 Female Daughter of Honoria R C St. John, Sligo
Scanlon Joseph Michael 11 Mar 1879 22 Male Son of Honoria R C Finisklin, Sligo
Scanlon Jane (Frances?) 1883 18 Female Daughter R C Co Sligo Dress Maker
Scanlon Margret 1886 15 Female Daughter R C Co Sligo Monitress
Scanlon John 1889 12 Male Son R C Co Sligo Scholar
Scanlon Robert 1892 9 Male Son R C Co Sligo Scholar
Williams Norah 1897 4 Female Cousin R C Co Sligo Scholar

I have managed to track down Nora/Honoria in the 1911 census living at 9 Glengariff Parade, Inn's Quay, Dublin with 3 of the other previous occupants:

Died Scanlon Martin
as 1901 Scanlon Norah 64 Female Head of Family Roman Catholic Sligo Co -

Absent Scanlon Mary Ann 16 Jun 1870 41 Female Daughter of Honoria R C Sligo, Co Sligo
Absent Scanlon Pat 02 Mar 1872 39 Male Son of Honoria R C Sligo, Co Sligo
Absent Scanlon Martin 17 Sep 1873 38 Male Son of Honoria R C Sligo, Co Sligo
Absent Scanlon James 29 Nov 1875 35 Male Son R C Co Sligo Fireman

Absent Scanlon Honoria 15 Aug 1877 34 Female Daughter of Honoria R C St. John, Sligo
Absent Scanlon Joseph Michael 11 Mar 1879 32 Male Son of Honoria R C Finisklin, Sligo

as 1901 Scanlon Jane Frances 1883 28 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Sligo Co -

Absent Scanlon Margret 1886 25 Female Daughter R C Co Sligo Monitress

Absent Scanlon John 1889 22 Male Son R C Co Sligo

as 1901 Scanlon Robert 1892 19 Male Son R C Co Sligo

as 1901 Williams Norah 1896 15 Female Visitor Roman Catholic Sligo Co Scholars

Killoran Eugene 1883 28 Male Boarder Roman Catholic Sligo Co Sorter G P O


I still can't be certain that the 1901 John Scanlon is the one I am looking for although, as he was the only one with a father called martin and his children were called Mary, Martin, Margaret, Noreen and John (all names of his parents/siblings), it is looking promising.

Thanks again for your assistance, I've managed to make great strides as a result.

Best regards.

Paul Scanlon

Hi Paul, did find some of those children and as they married (if right people)with a 7 year gap between the first and second child on census could it be assumed that some of them died in the meantime.
Have found two deaths for a Martin Scanlon, one in 1902 the other in 1910

Betty.

Hi all

Many thanks for all of your assistance, I seem to have finally identified the correct details for my grandfather and great grandfather who appear to be the Ballydoogan, Sligo Scanlons.

After following up the various leads supplied I put in an online request to the GRO for a copy of the birth certificate for "John Thomas Scanlon" born around 1888 whose father was "Martin" and initially they said there was no match.

However, I then provided them with details of a Baptism record I stumbled across a "John Scanlon", son of Martin and Honoria dated 3rd January 1889 and I have received an email confirmation from the GRO stating that they have a copy of a birth certificate for a mispelt "John Scanlan" that matches this additional criteria and are sending it in the post.

So, fingers crossed, it looks a lot like I have finally found the right path as it seems unlikely there would be any others with these forenames whose father's name was Martin (relatively unusual at that time).

I will now be digging deeper to try and find out more about the Scanlons from Sligo in the early-mid 1800s which I suspect will be a bit trickier.

Many thanks for all your help which has saved me a lot of time and effort.

Hope you all have a very merry Christmas.

Best regards.

Paul

Thanks for the update Paul and keeping fingers crossed that the birth certificate is your John. Good luck with your research.

Best wishes for Christmas and all the best in 2012.

Happy New Year All

I've now received the copy birth certificate for the elusive John Thomas Scanlon and as suspected it is the one I was looking except that the surname had been mispelt as Scanlan.

This, together with information provided by Clover has given me confirmation of my grandfather's family and given me the chance to dig alot deeper so many thanks for all of your assistance.

Best regards.

Paul

Thanks for letting us know the outcome of the birth certificate Paul. So pleased it was your John.

PaulS...
Dont get mislead to be searching Kilmacowan...(as per Census) you need to be looking around CP St John.... (for the time you will be after searching)

Ballydoogan Townland in the
Civil Parish of St John..
Barony: Carbury

Eringobragh1916

Many thanks for the tip re searching on the Civil Parish rather than Townland, I'll try using St John for future searches.

Best regards.

Paul

Paul...The Scanlan's (Conor) was farming in Ballydoogan back in early 1700s also found the McGolrick's in the surounding area... they had a Conor also..!

Hi Eringobragh1916

Can you let me know where you found these records from the early 1700s and whether any similar records exist for this period up to the 1901 census?

I'm trying to track my way back from the mid 1800s in but finding it difficult to find anything that I can nail down to specific areas/relatives....

Many thanks.

Paul