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wow very intresting wonder what kind of people he drove for...

Thank you for that infomation

I have ordered Ruby Dorothys Birth certifcate

As well as her marriage certificate to John Forder

Also my nans birth certificate from scotland

Hopefully they will hold some clues then i can order more from people for more confirmation.

Many thanks to all that are helping i know this is very confusing so i aperiacte all the time everyone is taking to help me figure this all out

Many Thanks

Lucy


re Cedric baing a Chauffeur

There were cars in 1919 ....... some very elegant models.

The first car was sometime in the 1880s, I think, and it was very common for wealthy people to have cars, and a chauffeur, by the 1890s.



sylvia

Rootgatherer

Good summing up of information already posted on this thread.

I think we had all assumed this.


The problem is then in trying to find the earlier Carash


Thus Cedric gives his father as Henry Thomas Carash, Civil Engineer


BUT Henry Thomas Carash cannot then be found before that!

So far, I don't think anyone has found any of the Carash's mentioned on any bmd!

One thing I have noticed, is that Civil Engineer appears to be a "family" occupation. Micklewright Carash, father of Claude Albert, is shown as Civil Engineer on the baptism record for Claude.

....... but, as I said, have been unable to find them anywhere else other than on the certificate or register.


As for Ruby Dorothy, I believe Lucy is getting that birth certificate, and will then see who is claimed to be her father.


sylvia

Repost for cenus information of John Sheffield for Mel

:-)

I know this will sound very stupid when you say Chauffeur, did they have cars in those days opr is it a different kind of chauffeur?

Brilliant this makes perfect sense solved the mystery wish peope would not keep re marrying and changing there names though! Thank you so much and yes that is ruby dorothy birth is correct thank you

On his marriage Cedric Thomas Joseph Carash gave his father as Henry Thomas Carash, a Civil Engineer, (deceased).

Cedric's occupation is Chauffeur.

The 1911 census that Maureen has posted is very helpful. I believe that the Dorothy Ruby Constance Garner on that is this person.

Births Jun 1895 Carash Ruby Dorothy Croydon 2a 241

She obviously took her stepfather's name when her mother, Emma Georgina Carash, maiden name Sheffield marry Mr. Garner in 1906. When her children were born she gave her maiden name as Carash which was the name that her birth was registered as.

Ah thanks for that information that's really helpful dud not k
now that I ve ordered a few certificates so not going to go any further back till I get some concrete evidence yes lots of name shifters we knew this side of the family had lots of secrets can't wait to uncover it all just need to go one step at a time the scotland records take up 15 days the others should come quicker. I to also found this marriage which we can confirm is correct thanks for the help and that usefu piece of infornation xx

This is the marriage, taken from www.freebmd.org.uk, for Dorothy Carash and Gustav de Becker


Marriages Dec 1935 (>99%)

Carash Dorothy C Hoffman Wandsworth 1d 1205
Carash Dorothy C De Becker Wandsworth 1d 1205
De Becker Gustav H N Carash Wandsworth 1d 1205
Hoffmann Gustav H N Carash Wandsworth 1d 1205



so Gustav was apparently also known as Gustav H N Hoffmann



sylvia

Lucy

re private baptism

It was common when the child was poorly and not expected to live .............. hence why I posted the death registration.

People who had not been baptised could not be buried in the consecrated land in a churchyard or cemetery .............. hence why a fast baptism would be done if a child was so sick after birth that it seemed it would not survive.

In fact, ANYONE could do a baptism for such a child, to ensure that he/she would be buried in consecrated ground ................... if it seemed that it would be impossible for a priest to make it to the house, a nurse, midwife, or family member could do it.

I am convinced that many a still born child would have been baptised in such a way ................... and the nurse would then say that the child had taken a couple of breaths after birth.



I can only repeat what I said earlier .......... wait for that certificate to arrive.

That will solve at least one problem (at least we hope it will!) .......... but it is far too easy to make mistakes when one continues with hypotheses.


I find this family very strange .................. Carash's pop up, but then you can't find them anywhere else. There must be a lot of "name shifters" among them!


We just have to hope that they told the truth somewhere!



sylvia

Could anyone recap or link what is previou
sly on the thread I'm finfing it hard to make sense of previous comments many thanks

Hi yes i looked at this to this was a year ago this thread was mainly about my nan struggled to findher birth certificate but have ordered it now.

That thread was far to confusing there was to much information on thre i had to start again beacuse i dont think some of it was correct.

As far as i have got so far is

My nan - enie d n Forder born 1942 aberdeen

Her mum Ruby Georgina Gordon married John Forder 1939 Camberwell

Ruby Georgina Gordon born 1914 lambeth London

Mothers maiden name Carash

Mothers name we think is Dorothy married a Gustav H N De Becker

This is all the confirmed information i have managed to do

I am struggling to make sense of everything as there are so many surnames and name changes

Oh dear.
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/baker/thread/1230179

Maureen

Has this been posted yet? (Sorry-I'm totally confused!).
1911 census transcription details for: 123 Burlington Road Thornton Heath
RG14PN3395 RG78PN127 RD39 SD4 ED28 SN118

Reg. District: Croydon Sub District: North Croydon

TYRRELL, William Bertram Head Married M 33 1878 Letter Sorter Sussex Hastings
TYRRELL, Esther Louisa Wife Married
8 years F 32 1879 London Balham
TYRRELL, Grace Isabel Daughter F 5 1906 Surrey Croydon
SHEFFIELD, Joseph Father In Law Widower M 73 1838 Retired Fishmonger Old Age Pensioner London Hackney Rd 28 Charles ST
GARNER, Ruby Dorothy Constance Niece Single F 16 1895 Actress Surrey Croydon


Maureen

Emm yes this is very intresting I have ordered my nans birth certificate so I will se what her dads occupation was may answer some questions the information above of the baptism of georgina but I have been speaking to my nans sister norma who has told me that her nan married a gustav h n de becker who her dad always hated and said could be a spy from letters she has found her name on the marriage was georgina carash but on the birth was dorothy any one lse could confirm what I have found and why have a private baptism was this common

I note surnames Micklewright and Carash



which makes this baptism very intriguing to me!

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Claud Albert Carash

Name: Claud Albert Carash
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1897
Baptism Date: 12 Feb 1897
Father's Name: Micklewright Carash
Mother's Name: Georgina Carash
Parish or Poor Law Union: Brixton St Matthew
Borough: Lambeth
Register Type: Parish Registers


Father was a Civil Engineer

Thier address was 22 Kildoran Road, Clapham.

The baptism was Private.


and this is probbaly why the baptism was private


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 about Claude Albert M Carash

Name: Claude Albert M Carash
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1897
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: Lambeth
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 303 (click to see others on page)




I cannot find a marriage fro a Georgina to a Micklewright Carash, nor can I find a Micklewright Carash!


BUT could this Georgina be the Emma Georgina Carash who married in 1906?





sylvia

If your nan does turn out to be adopted, then it becomes difficult to get her adoption papers.

The adopted person can get access

If the adopted person is dead, then her spouse and children can, I believe, get access with proof of death.

Then I think it comes to an end, no-one else can access the files..


But WAIT!




sylvia

Lucy


don't forget that it was during WW2 ...... people moved all over the country in war work.


There was horrendous bombing in London, and the whole family may have decided to move up to Scotland ........... maybe father got a job in ship building, or naval supplies.


Wait until you've got that birth certificate from Scotland's people before you start thinking of other possibilities.


The birth certificate will tell you the father's occupation, and that could well answer all your questions.





sylvia

As previous any one know where I can find out if enie d n forder born in may 1942 in aberdeen could be adopted any pointers or help would be great really struggling don't know where to look many thanks