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thanks sylvia
for the censuses
yes I use Family search a lot to find things

The maria shufflebotham I was looking for guided by family search was daughter of Jame and elizabeth shuflebotham.

She appears to be the only daughter of the second marriage of her mother ,who would have been around 40 when she was born - hence no full siblings

A lot of what I'm piecing together at present is just wishful thinking hoping I find a piece of the jigsaw that cements them all together
thanks for the help

thanks sylvia for that
good to have the 1841 census

yes a few maria shufflebothams 1835 +/- 5 years, but were they all born in macclesfield?

Thanks vanessa
yes there are various people looking at the grindeys of staffordshire. No one has been able to place my link into other established line, and no others I have been in contact with have managed to identify what happened to Mary. this is why I chose to post here about it

a recent brekthrough was discovering that Mary's mother had been Ann stubbs. Previously we only had her forename.

we still have no marriage date for them.

I had hoped that by identifying the fate of Mary grindy/grindey/grinday/grundy/grundey/grindley it might bring me further.

I now find myself looking more at the stubbs connections, because I think there might be someting coming from that end

I'm not sure how much Fun it is ,can be a little hair torn out now and again but great when find something

There has been quite a lot of work done on the Grind(e)ys in Staffordshire! I have a Mary Grindy married into my Brooks family in 1872, and was very well guided by some people involved in the research.

See if this link helps any:

www.russellajj.co.uk/dowlerweb-o/p119.htm

Many of the Grindeys named children after their own parents, hence cousins all with the same names. To add to the confusion, there were cousins marrying cousins!

Have fun trying to sort them all out!

There are several Maria Shufflebothams born in 1835 +/ 5 years




sylvia

To finish off the sequence

1841 Census

Name: Richard Stubbs
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Gender: Male
Where born: Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Prestbury
Hundred: Macclesfield
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Registration district: Macclesfield
Sub-registration district: East Macclesfield

Richard Stubbs 23 Publican
Ann Stubbs 24
Mary Ann Stubbs 15
Caroline Stubbs 11
Joseph Stubbs 1

Address:- Waters Green




sylvia

There is a Maria Shufflebotahm who married in the Macclesfield District, June quarter 1857

Marriages Jun 1857 (>99%)

SHUFFLEBOTHAM Maria Macclesfield 8a 160
Willott William Macclesfield 8a 160



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England, Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000 for Maria Shufflebotham

Name: William Willott
Event: Marriage
Event Date: 21 Apr 1857
Event Place: Prestbury, Cheshire, England
Gender: Male
Age: 30y
Marital Status: Single
Father: William Willott
Mother:
Spouse: Maria Shufflebotham
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Father: Matthew Shufflebotham
Spouse's Mother:
Film Number: 2093805
Digital Folder Number: 4018882
Image Number: 658





sylvia

1871 Census

Name: Richard Stubbs
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Martha Stubbs
Gender: Male
Where born: Leek, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Macclesfield
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Registration district: Macclesfield
Sub-registration district: East Macclesfield

Richard Stubbs 53 Licensed Victualler
Martha Stubbs 56 b.ca 1815, Wildboarclough, Cheshire
John R Stubbs 11
Elizabeth Whittaker 22 Servant
Thomas Woodall 50 Ostler
John M Hage 33 Lodger
Edwin Johns 21 Lodger
William Pierce 21 Lodger

Address:- Old Mill Stone, 64 and 66 Waters Green



sylvia

1861 Census

Name: Richard Stubbs
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Martha Stubbs
Gender: Male
Where born: Leek, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Macclesfield
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Registration district: Macclesfield
Sub-registration district: East Macclesfield

Richard Stubbs 43 Licensed Victualler
Martha Stubbs 46 b.ca 1815, Weldboarclough, Cheshire
Joseph Stubbs 20 b.ca 1841, Macclesfield, Cooper
William Stubbs 18 Mechanic
Richard Stubbs 17 Iron Moulder
John R Stubbs 1
Martha Warren 18 Stepdaughter, Dressmaker
John Williams 22 Lodger
Morgan Clocke 26 Lodger
Charles Webster 27 Lodger
Henry Martin 24 Lodger

Address:- Waters Green, Old Mill Stone



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England, Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000 for Richard Stubbs

Name: Richard Stubbs
Event: Marriage
Event Date: 10 Dec 1857
Event Place: St Michael, Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
Gender: Male
Age: 40y
Marital Status:
Father:
Mother:
Spouse: Martha Warren
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Father:
Spouse's Mother:
Film Number: 2105910
Digital Folder Number: 4019012
Image Number: 7


There are 2 deaths for an Ann Stubbs registered in Macclesfield, one in Sept quarter 1854 and one in June quarter 1855




sylvia

for reference purposes, so that I/we can see who else was in that household in 1851


1851 Census

Name: Richard Stubbs
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Stubbs
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Leek, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Macclesfield
Town: Macclesfield
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Registration district: Macclesfield
Sub-registration district: Rainow

Richard Stubbs 33 Victualler
Ann Stubbs 35 b.ca 1816, Sutton, Cheshire
Joseph Dean Stubbs 10 b.ca 1841, Macclesfield
William Stubbs 8
Richard Stubbs 7
Maria Shufflebotham 18 b.ca 1833, Macclesfield, Cheshire
Thomas Bullock 23 Servant

Address:- Waters, Old Nag Head



This Maria was born in Macclesfield.


The one on the 1841 Census is shown as born ca 1834, and Not Born in County, ie, not born in Staffordshire


so the two could be the same person




sylvia

Dear marie Celeste and porkie and anyone else out there

I am beginning to belive that there was only one mary grindy born and baptised at leek frith/ Meerbrook.

Marys mother ann seems to have had a younger brother born 1817 bapt 1818 leek. In 1851 he is in macclesfield as an innkeeeper, and the servant in the inn is maria shufflebotham who was with Mary Grindy in leekfrith in 1841

Marias parents were James Shufflebotham and elizabeth stubbs( stubbs apparently being the widowed name of Elizabeth)

Richard and ann's mother was elizabeth ( married name stubbs) I wonder if Maria is the half sister of Ann stubbs and richard)this is not stated on the census - only servant, as she was a paid employee.I have other incidences of apprentices and servant being in the employ of a family member but without their family relationship being written on the census.
could anyone check for me the censuses of 1861 and 1871 for Richard stubbs b leek 1817/18 and see who was in the household
thanks

Normally, a woman would have remarried in her last married name rather than her maiden name.

On the marriage of James shufflebotham to elizabeth stubbs1829, it has elizabeth stubbs as widow, would stubbs then be he widowed married name or her maiden name

There was a marriage of William stubbs to elizabeth which I can't find a date for.
Ann the mother of Mary grindey was the daughter ( I think) of william and elizabeth stubbs.
Could the elizabeth stubbs who married james shufflebotham possibly have been ann's mother?

It is possible that Mary in both 1841 censuses are one mary

I checked Maria shufflebotham .It seems that she was baptised 13 april in Macclesfield parents James and Elizabeth Shufflebotham.

Elizabeth was widowed at the time of her Marriage to James in 1829, but her name given on the marrige record on IgI is Stubbs, which is the same surname as the mother of mary in fenton.

I wonder if maria and Mary could have been cousins through their mothers elizabeth and ann. I still need to prove a conction between elizabeth and ann more than just surnames.

Thanks Marie Celeste
I had the 1841 census for the grindy family but hoped the other would show another family with the name of the parents.

the 1851 clearly shows that mary Grindy ( grindey) was born at leek frith, this corresponds to the place( Meerbrook equates as near as one can to leekfrith) of baptism of mary and her brothers (and their place of birth on subsequent censuses).

As the other Mary grindy was in Leek frith for the 1841 census - I wondered where she was born. as she is obviously not with her parents it is a little difficult to say where she was born.

Or could both be the same person mary of the family overnighting in Leek frith with relatives. I have several examples in my tree of people appearing twice at the same census.

at least we can definatley rule out the sampson jones marriage.

there is a possible mariage to james swindles at heaton Norris in 1863, but that would leave the question wehre was she in 1861 and what happened to her after the marriage.

The father of the Mary Grindey who married Sampson Jones was called John

Mary Grindy
England Marriages, 1538–1973
marriage: 1852 Bucknall Cum Bagnall,? Stafford,? England
parents: John Grindy
spouse: Sampson Jones





sylvia

Not sure which 1841 you wanted?

DANE, Joseph M 75 1766 Staffordshire
DANE, Ann F 75 1766 Staffordshire
GOULD, Ann F 15 1826 Staffordshire
SHUFFLEBOTTOM, Maria F 7 1834
GRINDY, Mary F 7 1834 Staffordshire
PICKFORD, George M 15 1826 Staffordshire
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Registration District: Leek
Civil Parish: Leek

Address: New Sett, Leek, Leekfrith County: Staffordshire

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

GRINDY, James M 25 1816 Staffordshire < Ag lab
GRINDY, Ann F 25 1816 Staffordshire
GRINDY, Mary F 7 1834 Staffordshire
GRINDY, Joseph M 5 1836 Staffordshire
GRINDY, William M 3 1838 Staffordshire
GRINDY, Ann F 1 1840 Staffordshire
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Registration District: Stoke upon Trent
Civil Parish: Stoke upon Trent
Municipal Borough: Stoke upon Trent

Address: Great Fenton, Stoke Upon Trent, Fenton Culvert County: Staffordshire

for info

1841
Name: Mary Grindy
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Gender: Female
Where born: Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Leek
Hundred: North Totmonslow
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Leek
Sub-registration district: Leek
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1005
Book: 4
Folio: 21
Page Number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Dane 75
Ann Dane 75
Ann Gould 15
Maria Shufflebottom 7
Mary Grindy 7
George Bickford 15

and

Name: Mary Grindy
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Gender: Female
Where born: Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Stoke Upon Trent
Hundred: North Pirehill
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Stoke upon Trent
Sub-registration district: Fenton
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 990
Book: 5
Folio: 13
Page Number: 18
Household Members: Name Age
James Grindy 25
Ann Grindy 25
Mary Grindy 7
Joseph Grindy 5
William Grindy 3
Ann Grindy 1


Roy

just had time before going off to see that the child who died in 1848 was mary ellen grindy born fenton 1848, so not my mary

If she did die 1848 it would explain why I didn't get any further, the one who died was mary allen grindy I don't know where the alllen comes from it wasn't on my marys baptism cert

the 1841 census might help confirm it

will be back tomorrow
thanks