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1911
Person: MILLER, Ellen
Institution: Workhouse - North Surrey District School, WORKHOUSE - NORTH SURREY DISTRICT SCHOOL
MILLER, Ellen Inmate F 14 1897 VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
3420 Reference:
RG14PN3420 RD39 SD5 ED16 SN9999
Registration District:
Croydon Sub District:
Penge Enumeration District:
16 Parish:
Penge
Address:Anerley Road Anerley S E County:
Surrey

This is information given to me on genes woith regards to our Gran,
It seems that her brother william and sis victoria both ended up the same.
Can anyone tell if i would be able to find out when, why, and all those ???'s we wna know.
Or would i be able to trace then when they came out? and where they went next?.
Sorry if this all sounds abit dollay but it surely confuses me too.
thanking you in advancce
jacki b
I know nan ended up in glasgow as he had mum in 1923..
:-D

Afraid you're on the wrong board,Jacki.
If you read at the top of the board this is what it says:

SuggestionsThis board is for you to add your suggestions for changes you would like to see made to Genes Reunited.

OMG!! IM SO SORRY.oooopsis there a way i can move it copy and paste? or should ijust start again heheh :-D

i also havent got glasssen so sorry eveyone shall i just deleat it? :-)

Hi Jacki
Just copy and paste your "opening post" onto the "Find Ancestors" board. then delete this one.
Hope this helps.
Barbara x

If you haven't moved it yet, I can. If you have recopied then please click delete on fitrst post.

This really needs a new option for owner or admin to switch thread to another bosrd. Its been asked for many times. Expect to see it soon.

This was moved from Suggestions Board to Find Ancestors

The records for this workhouse are at the LMA in London there is a site that tells you about the place and has pictures.

thank you all for your replies..
Joan I AM LOOKING THROUGH NOW SHALL LET YOU KNOW IF I FIND ANYTHING


. hope this is on the correct board now....
AM SO SORRY.....
jacki b :-)

Hi Jacki


Can you give us the ages of William and Victoria and where they were born please.
Are you trying to trace back further than 1911.
Sue

Institution: Roman Catholic Poor Law School For Boys St Vincents, ST VINCENT ROMAN CATHOLIC POOR LAW SCHOOL FOR BOYS



MILLER, William Schoolboy M 12 1899 School Boy Wigan
born 1897 machester lanc
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rG14PN25367 RD476 SD7 ED20 SN999]
Address:
St Vincent Poor Law School Garstang Road Fulwood Preston Lancashire County:
Lancashire

victoria brn 1896 manchester Lancs.. in 1901 she was living in newcastle with father and sblings,

I am assuming this is the correct family in 1901, without mother mary deceased/hospital)?

1901 England Census
about Victoria Miller
Name: Victoria Miller
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Frank
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: Wigan St George
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Wigan
Sub registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 204
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Birnckich 20
Andrew Maljeskine 20
Ellen Miller 8 months
Frank Miller 43
Joseph Miller 15
Mary Miller 12
Victoria Miller 4
William Miller 3
Constantine Shrnid 38
Margaret Shrnid 22
Anthony Sodlosky 44
mothers name mary yakob(podenskey miller)
1911 ?
MILLER, Victoria School F 13 1898 School Girl Lancs Manchester VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
22653 Reference:
RG14PN22653 RD455 SD10 ED44 SN9999
Registration District:
West Derby Sub District:
West Derby Eastern Enumeration District:
44 Parish:
West Derby
Address:Honeysgreen Lane West Derby Liverpool
WAS THIS NORMAL PRACYICE TO SEPERATE SIBLINGS?
Is there a chance i can tyr and find out where they wernt from the school/workhouses?
or if any one the places mar have kept inmates records.

:-D

oh my oh my..
please is there anyone who maybe able to help us sort this family out..... where did they go after the workhouses? will i be able to trace them?

if you can help we'd be soooo greatfull... this is like a thorn in the side hehhe
family secrets unvailed.
thanking you
jacki b :-(

Just posting the Ancestry version of the 1901....

1901 England Census
about Victoria Miller
Name: Victoria Miller
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Frank Miller
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: Wigan St George
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 204
Piece: 3552
Folio: 97
Page Number: 34
Household Members:
Name Age
Frank Miller 43 (Widow) Tailor...Born Russia
Joseph Miller 15 (Tailors Apprentice) Born Russia
Mary Miller 12 Born Russia
Victoria Miller 4 Born Manchester
William Miller 3 Born Manchester
Ellen Miller 8 Months Born Wigan
Andrew Maljeskine 20 (Boarder)
Anthony Sodlosky 44 (Boarder)
Mary Birnckich 20 (Servant)
Constantine Shrnid 38 (Boarder)
Margaret Shrnid 22 (Boarder)

It was not unusual for siblings to be seperated when they were put into institutions.
It might just have been a case of what was available at the time.

I can't see Frank Miller in the 1911 census....so maybe the reason they were put into care was the fact that he also died between 1901 and 1911???

Having said that, as he was born in Russia.........i doubt his name was originally Frank Miller.

hello Pricklyholly,

frank ended up in glasgow with my gran ellen and mary (daughter) he went into st josephs home for the poor . run by the Little sisters of the poor
Garngad? glasgow scotland

I have his death cert and gives his name as frank miller but i know he changed it at sum point from wait for it............
MYNCYINSKUS or similar. it also give his parents names in russian/polish.

The cen u show is the same as i have, and noticed mother isnt there?, can you say what adress it was.. i can google it if you can?seems alot of people in one place.
Mary the mother.i thnk she may have passed giving birth or maybe just after.can you say what adress it was i can google it if you can?

seeems there have been 2 miller families with the same names but the children are different.but also both Franks were tailor's i know mine was and a journeyman.

anyway i did email the poor home and they clarified that frank was there and died there. and indeed changed his name.
i am going to email again to see if they have other records or info .....
thanx for helping me, if you can find anything else id be greatful.
cheers
jacki b
jacki b :-D

Hi Jacki

The Address on the 1901 census is....

1 Fairhursts Yard, Wigan, Lancashire.

I have enough problems with my Irish lot, let alone the Russians!! :-D

hi prickly holly,

yes i also have that ad....
yea i can imagine you have problems too..

they obviously didnt wanna be found or like mine secrets i guess.

mm every family has one or maybe two. heheh

jacki b

Possible death for Frank's wife?

Deaths Mar 1901 Millar Mary 33 Wigan 8c 31

oh rootgatherer,
jus a question i notice that the age given is rather young for my Mary,
as she was born in russia/poland abt 1852-6..if my maths is ok then the would make her abt 50's.

i know that around fairhurst yard?lane there where two Frank Miller's and Mary's. he was also a tailor.

yep they are also from abroad.
oh wot to do wot to do..
i hv been given a link for a jewish cemetry in glasgow which i am going to email to see if they can help.
will get bk again..

hello,
is there anyone who would be able to have a look at this death cert as i cannot access,
thanking you in advance
jacki b
Deaths from 1900 to 1905
First name(s): Mary Anne (including variants)
Last name: Miller (including variants)
Region: England
County: Northumberland
Year of birth: 1852 +/- 2 years (Note: this was not always recorded for armed force and overseas deaths)
Results:
1 record found. MILLER Mary Ann England Northumberland, Alnwick 1903 VIEW


thanking you
jacki b