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Yep! ;-)

Births Mar 1896 (>99%)
Bancroft Albert Edward Basford 7b 241

Thank you Maureen and PricklyHolly, so possibly great minds think alike and we are all on the right track.
So we just need Albert Edward Bancroft to have a mother maiden name Elliot......

Just in case!.....

1911 census - household transcription
Person: ELLIOT, James
Address: 27 Quarry Road Bulwell

ELLIOT, James Head Married M 69 1842 Butcher Nothingham Bulwell VIEW
ELLIOT, Elizabeth Wife Married
48 years F 68 1843 Derby Tansley VIEW
BEARDMORE, Dorothy Granddaughter F 10 1901 School Notts Bulwell VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
20667 Reference:
RG14PN20667 RG78PN1232 RD430 SD5 ED34 SN69

Registration District:
Nottingham Sub District:
Bulwell Enumeration District:
34 Parish:
Nottingham

Address:
27 Quarry Road Bulwell County:
Nottinghamshire
( 7 children born, 5 living, 2 had died)

Quite right and cautious,Frances! There's nothing like a good cert!!!

1881 census transcription details for: 11, Pilkintons Yard, Bulwell

RG number: RG11 Piece: 3333 Folio: 112 Page: 39

Reg. District: Basford Sub District: Bulwell
ELLIOTT, James Head Married M 39 1842 Labourer General
Bulwell
Nottinghamshire
ELLIOTT, Elizabeth Wife Married F 38 1843 Labourers Wife
Tansley
ELLIOTT, William Son Single M 17 1864 Butcher
Bulwell
Nottinghamshire
ELLIOTT, Sarah Daughter Single F 15 1866 Employed At Bleach Yard
Bulwell
Nottinghamshire
ELLIOTT, James Son Single M 11 1870 Scholar
Bulwell
Nottinghamshire
ELLIOTT, John Son Single M 8 1873 Scholar
Bulwell
Nottinghamshire
ELLIOTT, Kate A Daughter Single F 1 1880
Bulwell
Nottinghamshire
ELLIOTT, Edith M Daughter Single F 1 1880
Bulwell
Nottinghamshire
SMITH, Ann Boarder Single F 25 1856 Dressmaker
Tansley


Maureen

According to a tree on Ancestry...........

Which includes the 1891 census Maureen posted!


England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Charles William Smith
Name: Charles William Smith
Spouse: Sarah Elliot
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1885
Registration district: Basford
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume Number: 7b
Page Number: 121


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Charles William Smith
Name: Charles William Smith
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1891
Age at Death: 26
Registration district: Basford
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 122


Son........

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Arthur William Smith
Name: Arthur William Smith
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1885
Registration district: Basford
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 213

Thank you Maureen. I had just been looking at marriages between Smith and Sarah in 1885 (a foolhardy venture) but the first one I came across as a possible

Marriages Mar 1885
SMITH Charles William Basford
7b 121


Elliott Sarah Basford
7b 121


Hodgett Sarah Elizabeth Basford
7b 121

but the only solution is going to be a birth certificate.

Ancestry seems to want to point me in this direction:
1891 England Census about Sarah Smith
Name: Sarah Smith
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Charles Smith
Gender: Female
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England
Civil parish: Bulwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary the Virgin
Town: Bulwell
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Registration district: Basford
Sub-registration district: Bulwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Piece: 2672
Folio: 66
Page Number: 33
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Smith 25
Sarah Smith 25
William Smith 5

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2672; Folio 66; Page 33

I have no idea!
It's a shame there aren't more Notts records online. Or are there and I'm the last one to know???

Maureen

The reason for the orphans is

Deaths Dec 1910
Bancroft Edwin 45 Belper
7b 3[_6]7

Deaths Jun 1909
BANCROFT Sarah 44 Belper
7b 350

Thank you PricklyHolly, Maureen and George, you have relly given me something to play with now. Good thing the weather is so miserable...

??

1911 census - household transcription
Person: BANCROFT, Florence
Address: 74 Cranmer Street Long Eaton

TOMLINSON, John William Head Married M 34 1877 Butcher Long Eaton VIEW
TOMLINSON, Kate Wife Married
12 years F 33 1878 Long Eaton VIEW
TOMLINSON, Vera Daughter F 10 1901 Stapleford VIEW
TOMLINSON, George Son M 8 1903 Stapleford VIEW
TOMLINSON, Lissie Daughter F 7 1904 Long Eaton VIEW
TOMLINSON, Daisy Daughter F 4 1907 Long Eaton VIEW
TOMLINSON, John William Son M 2 1909 Long Eaton VIEW
BANCROFT, Florence Servant F 17 1894 Bullwell VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
20830 Reference:
RG14PN20830 RG78PN1244 RD434 SD4 ED9 SN130

Registration District:
Shardlow Sub District:
Stapleford Enumeration District:
9 Parish:
Long Eaton

Address:
74 Cranmer Street Long Eaton County:
Derbyshire

The birth cert of one of the children will give you the Fathers name and MMN.

Their Mother married Edwin Bancroft.....

Marriages Dec 1892 (>99%)
BANCROFT Edwin Basford 7b 216
SMITH Sarah Basford 7b 216

1901

BANCROFT, Edwin Head Married M 35 1866 Coal Miner Hewer
West Hallam
Derbyshire VIEW
BANCROFT, Sarah Wife Married F 35 1866
Nottingham
Nottinghamshire VIEW
SMITH, A W Son Single M 14 1887 Blacksmith
Nottingham
Nottinghamshire VIEW
BANCROFT, Florence Daughter Single F 7 1894
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
BANCROFT, Albert E Son Single M 5 1896
Nottingham
Nottinghamshire VIEW
BANCROFT, Jane Daughter Single F 2 1899
Nottingham
Nottinghamshire VIEW
BANCROFT, Olive P Daughter Single F 0 (2 MOS) 1901
Nottingham
Nottinghamshire VIEW

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Piece:
3189 Folio:
114 Page:
34 Registration District:
Nottingham

Civil Parish:
Nottingham Municipal Borough:
Address:
11, Leonard Street, Nottingham County:
Nottinghamshire

George

Marriages Dec 1892
BANCROFT Edwin Basford 7b 216
SMITH Sarah Basford 7b 216

Births Dec 1885
Smith Arthur William Basford 7b 213

Maureen

I have found a marriage which seems to fit but no Bancroft match

Marriages Sep 1902
Smith Arthur William Nottingham
7b 708

Shelton Elizabeth Ann Nottingham
7b 708

and I am now even more perplexed!

Do Albert and Jane have Bancroft parents in 1901 please?

Looking at the image...........it states all the Bancrofts are all 1/2 (half) brothers and sisters!

Arthur and Elizabeth married under one year.

Thank you PricklyHolly, I think....!

1911 census - household transcription
Person: BANCROFT, Olive Patiece
Address: 56 Blunt St Smalley Common Derby

SMITH, Arthur William Head Married M 25 1886 Coal Getter Under Ground Notts Bulwell VIEW
SMITH, Elizabeth Ann Wife Married F 28 1883 Stanley Derbyshire VIEW
BANCROFT, Albert Edward Brother Single M 15 1896 Miner Pony Driver Under Ground Notts Bulwell VIEW
BANCROFT, Jane Sister F 12 1899 School Notts Bulwell VIEW
BANCROFT, Olive Patiece Sister F 10 1901 School Notts Bulwell VIEW
BANCROFT, Edwin Herbert Brother M 7 1904 School Notts Bulwell VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
20962 Reference:
RG14PN20962 RG78PN1249 RD436 SD2 ED9 SN175

Registration District:
Belper Sub District:
Horsley Enumeration District:
9 Parish:
Smalley

Address:
56 Blunt St Smalley Common Derby County:
Derbyshire

I have come unstuck again!
My target is

Births Mar 1896
Bancroft Albert Edward Basford
7b 241

In 1901 he seems to be

1901
Bancroft Albert E 1896 Nottingham Nottinghamshire Nottinghamshire, Nottingham

and in 1911 I have found in Belper, all born Bulwell, Notts

BANCROFT ALBERT EDWARD M 1896 15 Belper Derbyshire
BANCROFT JANE F 1899 12 Belper Derbyshire
BANCROFT OLIVE PATIECE F 1901 10 Belper Derbyshire
BANCROFT EDWIN HERBERT M 1904 7 Belper Derbyshire

but can anybody tell me who they are living with please? Their maternal grandparents whose surname I do not know???

Many thanks,
Frances