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LaineH
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9 Nov 2011 18:00 |
Hello
I am trying to trace my ancestry, I remember some of the stories and know some of the people who are related to me but I am findin it hard to follow the papaer trail - help
Lewis Calder born 1839 - found on 1841 census - was sent to Australia on a convict ship 1860
related to Stokes family from Lanark (Carstairs) and Jardines in Canada through Elspeth Calder???
Related to Logan? Scott? in Canada through Annie Logan (nee Calder) also in Lanarkshire (Coalburn? Lesmahagow?)
help me to join the dots if you can ta :-)
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MarieCeleste
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9 Nov 2011 18:33 |
Hello Loraine, and welcome to the boards. There's still some big gaps between the dots!
What else do you know about Elspeth Calder and Annie Calder? Who were their parents, spouses, children? When and where were they born?
Have you used the Search Trees facility above to look for likely connections?
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MarieCeleste
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9 Nov 2011 18:35 |
For reference:
Australian Convict Transportation Registers – Other Fleets & Ships, 1791-1868
Name: Lewis Calder Vessel: Norwood Convicted Date: 4 Oct 1860 Voyage Date: 13 Mar 1862 Colony: Western Australia Place of Conviction: Inverness, Inverness-Shire, Scotland
Sentenced to 6 years, doesn't say what crime was.
Australian Convict Index, 1788-1868
Name: Lewis Calder Age: 1839 Year: 1860 Trial Place: Inverness State: WA Ship: Norwood Comments: d. 1885 Vasse Alias: COCKCROFT David Occupation: Shepherd
So did he change his name at some point?
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MarieCeleste
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9 Nov 2011 18:41 |
This death seems to tie in with the Convict register:
Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: Louis William Calder Father's Name: Lewis Registration Year: 1885 Registration Place: Western Australia Registration Number: 13223
Loraine - can you confirm if he had a middle name and if his father's name was Lewis?
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MarieCeleste
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9 Nov 2011 18:46 |
Is this the 1841 you have?
CALDER, Alexander M 40 1801 Farmer Haddingtonshire (East Lothian) CALDER, Elspet F 35 1806 Haddingtonshire (East Lothian) CALDER, James M 10 1831 Haddingtonshire (East Lothian) CALDER, John M 9 1832 Haddingtonshire (East Lothian) CALDER, Alexr M 6 1835 Haddingtonshire (East Lothian) CALDER, Ann F 4 1837 Haddingtonshire (East Lothian) CALDER, Lewis M 2 1839 Haddingtonshire (East Lothian) REID, Mary F 19 1822 F S Haddingtonshire (East Lothian) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Registration District: Civil Parish: Cromdale Municipal Borough:
Address: Crannichen, Crannichen, Cromdale County: Haddingtonshire (East Lothian)
If so, is his mother the Elspeth in your opening post, and is Annie the daughter shown here?
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MarieCeleste
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9 Nov 2011 18:49 |
Same family in 1851: CALDER, Alexr Head Widower M 47 1804 Farmer Of 9 Ac With 4 Of Pasture Cromdale Inverness CALDER, James Son Unmarried M 20 1831 Farmers Son (Empld On The Farm) Cromdale Inverness CALDER, John Son Unmarried M 18 1833 Baker Cromdale Inverness CALDER, Alexr Son Unmarried M 16 1835 Scholar Cromdale Inverness CALDER, Ann Daughter Unmarried F 14 1837 Farmer's Daughter Cromdale Inverness CALDER, Lewis Son M 11 1840 Farmers Son Inverallan Inverness CALDER, Isabella Sister Unmarried F 62 1789 Genl Servant (Spinster) Cromdale Inverness CALDER, Peter Son M 7 1844 Farmer's Son Cromdale Inverness -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Registration District: Dava & Lochindorb Civil Parish: Cromdale Municipal Borough:
Address: Easter Crannich, Easter Crannich, Cromdale County: Invernessshire
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MarieCeleste
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9 Nov 2011 18:58 |
Loraine, have you done any research on Scotland's People? It's pay per view but very reasonably priced for credits. http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
It's difficult to take this any further until you answer the questions and provide some further info.
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MarieCeleste
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9 Nov 2011 19:02 |
A submitted record on Family Search (a free site http://www.familysearch.org)
Lewis Calder Sex: M Event(s) Birth: 1839 Inverness, Scotland Parents Father: Alexander Calder Marriage(s) Spouse: Susannah House Marriage: 1873 Bunbury WA Notes and Sources Notes: Available on CD-ROM Disc# 143 Sources: None
(If you go onto FamilySearch the submitter has given their name and address so you could always write to them to check their sources)
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MarieCeleste
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9 Nov 2011 19:03 |
This marriage record ties with the submitter's info:
Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950
Name: Lewis Calder Spouse Name: Susan House Marriage Place: Bunbury Registration Place: Western Australia Registration Year: 1873 Registration Number: 3539
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MarieCeleste
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9 Nov 2011 19:07 |
This must be his sister's baptism, note mother's maiden name:
ANN CALDER Female Event(s): Birth: 20 SEP 1836 Christening: 10 OCT 1836 Cromdale And Inverallan And Advie, Inverness, Scotland Death: Burial: Parents: Father: ALEXR CALDER Mother: ELSPETH LAWSON Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
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MarieCeleste
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9 Nov 2011 19:24 |
There are numerous trees on Ancestry that have the calder family but one in particular has all the Jardines, too.
It would be worth contacting them to share info. If you're not a member of Ancestry then you can join Mundia (a spin-off) for free http://www.mundia.com/gb/.
You can search and view trees and contact owners.
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MarieCeleste
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9 Nov 2011 19:27 |
Seeing as Loraine's new to the boards I've sent a pm advising her she needs to check back here.
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AmazingGrace08
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10 Nov 2011 01:00 |
Lorraine,
lot's of information has been found for you, but I notice in your post you asked for help in trying to find information.
To search old newspaper reports etc for Australia, a good source to access is this site: http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?q=
This enables you to select newspapers from a particular State or Territory and is very useful, as you can search all sorts of things.
best of luck with your search :-)
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LaineH
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10 Nov 2011 08:28 |
Hi Marie
The Calders of 1841 census you put on here - that is the one that I found and is related to the Calders i am researching.
Elspeth and Annie are much later around 1890's for Elspeth and 1900 - 1910 for Annie. Annie married John Logan and had a daughter Mary and a son John? Mary and Annie moved to Canada. Mary had married at least once before going to Canada.
They live in Coalburn/Lesmahagow area before going to Canada, John Logan stayed in Coalburn/Lesmahagow - he had a handlebar moustache - is the only thing I remember of him - I was quite little when there was some sort of family reunion - around about 1970's
Loraine
PS thank you for this wow I didn't expect to get so much response
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LaineH
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10 Nov 2011 08:34 |
Thank you all of you for the responses, it is quite overwhelming an hopefully I'll be able to fill in some of the gaps.
I had not thought of using the message boards before. ALso as mentioned before I stopped using the Genes reunited site some time ago - but will start using it more now :-)
thank you again
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LaineH
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10 Nov 2011 08:52 |
Hi Marie
I have used the maudai site and found the missing link - one of them to link up with the Jardines - I even remember seeing the photo in my Grannies photo box of Cousin Jean - she was a lovely person and Charles her husband too - I really enjoyed their visits to Scotland
I also understand now why I could not find her birth in the Scottish records - she was born in England
Thank you so very much
Loraine
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