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A tree here says that their first child John was born 1846, then Thomas 1847, Sarah 1848, another Thomas 1851 etc.

http://ismayons.com/pedigrees/web/family8/pafg06.htm

Just a stab in the dark:

Deaths Mar 1851 (>99%)
WRIGHT Henry David Wigton 25 145

Rather a lot of names unfortunately! But you might be right. I can only suggest looking for all possible spouses on census and see what turns up.

Marriages Mar 1851 (>99%)
Atkinson Martha Wigton 25 181
Barnes Hannah Wigton 25 181
Johnston John Wigton 25 181
Lightfoot Joseph Wigton 25 181
Pearson Thomas Wigton 25 181
Railton Mary Ann Wigton 25 181
Sheffield Mary Wigton 25 181
Wright Henry David Wigton 25 181

Jan

The only other thing (apart from getting the marriage cert!) is to look for Ismay/Hannah marriages. I gave this a try at the start but couldn't find them.
The other option is to look for the Hannah who married on census reports, if only to eliminate her.
Jan

thank you all so much for all of your help, information and hard work. I was checking Hannah and there was a Hannah who was married to someone else but I don't know how to make sure, any suggestions?

regards Margaret

and

http://www.cumberlandroots.co.uk/WIGCEM.htm

A further source of help

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/CUL/Archives/index.html

I think journeyman comes from the French for day "journee" as he would have been employed by the day ...

Jill

just for interest Margaret a journeyman is not usually a travelling salesman. It is usually that the person concerned has completed his apprenticeship in his trade but has not reached the status of master. He would either be working for a master or on his own but would not be allowed to employ anyone (he may have travelled about to find jobs but not necessarily).

He is usually described as 'journeyman (trade)' in this case probably 'journeyman iron turner'

It's a possible reason Margaret. Some people just never bothered.

Is there any chance that either one of them may have earlier married someone else and therefore they weren't free to legally marry?

Do you think that because when Daniel was younger he was a journeyman (travelling salesman) that they did not get married?

regards


Margaret

Jan - I noticed that too. I'm guessing that they'd assumed that given the birth of the first child.

Chances are that they never legally married.

Hannah in 1841 ??

Name: Hannah Barnes
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Female
Where born: Cumberland, England

Civil parish: Wigton
Hundred: Cumberland
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Wigton
Sub-registration district: Wigton
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 166
Book: 20
Folio: 6
Page Number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Daniel Barnes 50
Sarah Barnes 50
Hannah Barnes 15 <<<<<
Thomas Barnes 14
Mary Barnes 13
William Barnes 10
Daniel Barnes 5
Franciso Barnes 4 <<<<<

Someone on Ancestry has put marriage 1849, but no supporting evidence so I assume they had no luck either!

thank you all

regards

margaret

1861
ISMAY, Daniel Head M 45 1826 Cumberland VIEW
ISMAY, Hannah Wife F 45 1826 Cumberland VIEW
ISMAY, John Son M 25 1846 Cumberland VIEW
ISMAY, Thomas Son M 20 1851 Cumberland VIEW
ISMAY, Mary Daughter F 18 1853 Northumberland VIEW
ISMAY, Daniel Son M 16 1855 Northumberland VIEW
ISMAY, Joseph Son M 14 1857 Northumberland VIEW
ISMAY, James Son M 10 1861 Northumberland VIEW
ISMAY, Jane Daughter F 4 1867 Northumberland VIEW
ISMAY, William Son M 1 1870 Northumberland VIEW
Piece:
5079 Folio:
48 Page:
15 Registration District:
Newcastle upon Tyne

Civil Parish:
Elswick Municipal Borough:
Newcastle Address:
Armstrong Street (Dean Terrace), Elswick, Newcastle County:
Northumberland

1861 England Census

Name: Daniel Ismay
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Hannah Ismay
Gender: Male
Where born: Wigton, Cumberland, England

Civil parish: Westgate
Ecclesiastical parish: Westgate St Paul
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street Address: 44 Elswick Street

Occupation: Labourer

Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: Westgate
ED, institution, or vessel: 5

Household Members:
Name Age
Daniel Ismay 37
Hannah Ismay 38
Thomas Ismay 9
Mary E Ismay 7
Daniel Ismay 5
Joseph Ismay 3
James Ismay 4 MO
Francis Barnes 27 < Relative. A labourer, born Wigton

If they married it was most likely between 1841 and 51:

1841 England Census

Name: Daniel Ismay
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Male
Where born: Cumberland, England

Civil parish: Wigton
Hundred: Cumberland
County/Island: Cumberland

Registration district: Wigton
Sub-registration district: Wigton

Thomas Ismay 60
Susan Ismay 60
James Ismay 35
Daniel Ismay 15
Margaret Ismay 15


1851 England Census

Name: Hannah Ismay
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Daniel Ismay
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Wigton, Cumberland, England

Civil parish: Scotch Street
County/Island: Cumberland

Registration district: Carlisle
Sub-registration district: St Mary

Daniel Ismay 27
Hannah Ismay 28

I have searched genes and got lot of info but I cannot find any marriage for Hannah and Daniel I know he died in 1890, also I cannot find any census records for either of them from 1841 to 1861 can any one think of any reason why this might be?

Just wan to thank any one in advance for any help given to me.

regards

margaret

Is this the family in 1881?

ISMAY, Daniel Head Married M 53 1828 Iron Plainer Wigtown Cumberland
ISMAY, Hannah Wife Married F 53 1828 Wigtown Cumberland
ISMAY, Daniel Son Single M 25 1856 Iron Turner Newcastle on Tyne Northumberland
ISMAY, James Son Single M 20 1861 Gun Carriage Fitter Newcastle on Tyne Northumberland
ISMAY, Jane Daughter Single F 13 1868 Newcastle on Tyne Northumberland
ISMAY, William Son Single M 11 1870 Scholar Newcastle on Tyne Northumberland
HUTCHISON, Joseph Boarder Single M 24 1857 Iron Turner Carlisle Cumberland
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Registration District: Newcastle upon Tyne
Civil Parish: Elswick

Address: 619, Dean Terrace, Elswick County: Northumberland