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I don't know, that death considered before is very coincidental since you mention a death around 1940/41 ...

Name: Evan Mcpherson
Birth Date: abt 1865
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1941
Age at Death: 76
Registration district: Shoreditch
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 132

I've lost track a bit, your father-in-law is deceased ?

if not does he have any recollection of his father ? I'm not quite following whether his father was present when he was a child before his mother died

bigamy would not be that outlandish an idea ... but it would be unusual to give an assumed name aka his real name :-)

but it would not be unusual to invent a father and an occupation for him in that situation

the 'Evan Cluny' part is just so coincidental too

I apologise for not answering your questions sooner. Edwin may have died around 1940/41. Not too sure as cannot trace death certificate. Edwin married Ellen Eliza Barker at Parish Church of St. Peter, Limehouse, London. Father's occupation on certificate is Farmer. Ellen died 1931 aged 55 at Stepney, London. My father-in-law, Evan Cluny born 1918, went to live with his step sister after his mother, Ellen, died as he was only 13. Edwin/Evan was born 1872/3 and his occupation is shown as Able Seaman.
I sent for the birth certificate of the one who's father is shown as Landscape Artist but it was the wrong date of birth and father was not William. My husband, Stuart, seems to recall seeing at sometime a birth certificate, he does not know who it was for but it states 'born in the bush'! Unfortunately, we cannot find any trace of this, can only assume it has been destroyed. I do not have anymore details to give, please can you help any further?
Regards - Lynda

William MacPherson's occupation on the 1918 marriage was a farmer.

The witnesses were John Barker & Susan Jane Johnson.

The address for both Edwin and Ellen Eliza was 10 Walker Street.

Ellen Eliza was 43.

Yes, of course it was the 1881. ;-)

1861 in Scotland

Name: John Macpherson
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Barbara Macpherson
Gender: Male
Where born: So Leith, Midlothian

Registration district: Leith South
Civil parish: South Leith
Town: Leith
County: Midlothian
Address: 10 Weillington Place

Occupation: Landscape Printer

John Macpherson 28
Barbara Macpherson 27
Elizabeth Macpherson 1
James Macpherson 57
Elizabeth Macpherson 12
Elizabeth Macpherson 45


1851

Name: John Macpherson
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: James Macpherson
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Macpherson
Gender: Male
Where born: So Leith, Midlothian

Civil parish: Leith South
County: Midlothian
Address: 35 Constitution St

Occupation: Lithographer

James Macpherson 47
Elizabeth Macpherson 46
Alexr Macpherson 21
John Macpherson 18
Allan Macpherson 15
Thos Macpherson 12
Andrew Macpherson 9
Even Macpherson 7
Eliga Macpherson 2


1841

James Mcpherson 35
Elizabeth Mcpherson 35
Alexander Mcpherson 11
Georgiana Mcpherson 10
John Mcpherson 9
James Mcpherson 7
Allan Mcpherson 5
Thomas Mcpherson 3
Margaret Hill 40


no William ... but an Evan ...

I wonder ... could John be a brother of William, maybe their father was Evan Cluny MacPerson so they both had sons named for him ?

or ... if it really was a case of bigamy ... William was invented

have we had an answer yet about William's occupation on the marriage certificate ?

or maybe it is a big coincidence !

(that is the 1881 census you posted just for clarity )

Think this is the chap from that 1911 census (have tracked him through)

MACPHERSON, John Head Married M 48 1833 Artist Landscape Painter Scotland
MACPHERSON, Barbara Wife Married F 47 1834 Scotland
MACPHERSON, Margt D Daughter Single F 24 1857 Milliner Scotland
MACPHERSON, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 21 1860 Scotland
MACPHERSON, Barbara H Daughter Single F 19 1862 Landscape Painter Scotland
MACPHERSON, James A Son Single M 18 1863 Engineer Pattern Maker Camden Town Middlesex
MACPHERSON, Evan C Son Single M 14 1867 Scholar Camden Town Middlesex
MACPHERSON, John Son Single M 12 1869 Scholar Camden Town Middlesex
MACPHERSON, Douglas Son Single M 9 1872 Scholar Abridge Essex
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Registration District: Hendon
Civil Parish: Willesden

Address: 5, Cambridge Road South, Willesden County: Middlesex

yes I put the marriage in my post :-)


hmm, well the name is still a big coincidence but the occupation doesn't match much

unless there was scandal and he ran off to sea !

it would be really nice to have some answers

like when and where Evan/Edwin and wife Ellen died ... so we can see what info is on the death records ...


edit, looks like maybe two different people but surely related somehow

Name: Evan C Macpherson
Birth Date: abt 1865
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1955
Age at Death: 90
Registration district: North Bucks
Inferred County: Buckinghamshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 370

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915

Name: Evan Cluny Macpherson
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1891
Registration district: Hendon
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 247

Married Minnie Laurie Taylor

MAPHERSON, Evan Cluny Head Married 21 years M 42 1869 Architect Camden Town
MAPHERSON, Minnie Laura Wife Married 21 years F 42 1869 New Market
MAPHERSON, Laurie Daughter Single F 20 1891 Westminster
MAPHERSON, Donald Son Single M 17 1894 Architect Assistant Westminster
MAPHERSON, Marjorie Claire Daughter Single F 14 1897 Streatham Hill
MAPHERSON, Nigel Son M 2 1909 Willesden Green
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Registration District: Willesden
Sub District: Willesden
Enumeration District: 76
Parish: Willesden

Address: 12 Staverton Road Brondesbury Park County: Middlesex

The 4 children were the only born.

(It's MacPherson on original - will submit correction)

Yes, sorry, not very good at reading large posts! (slinks off to naughty step for not paying attention properly)

But, if it's any help, Ellen Barker's maiden name was Wheeler (from cert on Ancestry - her father was John Wheeler, deceased, labourer)

hold on, isn't this too much of a coincidence in the 1911 census ?

MAPHERSON EVAN CLUNY 1869 42 Willesden Middlesex

that was his son's name, Evan Cluny Mcpherson

( luckily I searched for e*n m*pherson ! )

living with

MAPHERSON MINNIE LAURA 1869 42
MAPHERSON LAURIE 1891 20
MAPHERSON DONALD 1894 17
MAPHERSON MARJORIE CLAIRE 1897 14
MAPHERSON NIGEL 1909 2


it looks to me like Evan aka Edwin because maybe he was a bigamist !

Marriages Mar 1891
Macpherson Evan Cluny Hendon 3a 247
Taylor Minnie Laurie Hendon 3a 247


Deaths Sep 1935 ?
MacPherson Minnie L 68 Newton 8c 148

something mistranscribed in the reg details, here is the correct one from Ancestry

Name: Minnie L Macpherson
Birth Date: abt 1867
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1935
Age at Death: 68
Registration district: Newton Abbot
Inferred County: Devon
Volume: 5b
Page: 148

hi Marie Celeste, Lynda ( sorry, not Stuart ) said

'Ellen Eliza McPherson who was a widow'

so I assumed the marriage at the bottom of my previous post

Marriages Jun 1918
Barker Ellen E Macpherson Poplar 1c 635
MacPherson Edwin Barker Poplar 1c 635

Lynda - whereabouts did that 1918 wedding take place?

mmm ... it is really nice to know if something is a guess and not a known fact ! the odds are that he didn't come from Canada ... but it's possible that he did and was in the Canadian navy in WWI maybe ...


this is the only thing the 1881 Canadian census shows for the name with father William

William MCPHERSON M Male Scottish 50 Nova Scotia Miller Church of Scotland
Catherine MCPHERSON M Female Scottish 48 Nova Scotia Church of Scotland
Even A MCPHERSON Male Scottish 21 Nova Scotia Teacher Church of Scotland
William F MCPHERSON Male Scottish 17 Nova Scotia -Son Church of Scotland
Daniel MCPHERSON Male Scottish 15 Nova Scotia Son Church of Scotland
Hugh MCPHERSON Male Scottish 13 Nova Scotia Church of Scotland
Robert MCPHERSON Male Scottish 11 Nova Scotia Church of Scotland
Sarah MCPHERSON Female Scottish 8 Nova Scotia Church of Scotland
Census Place McLennan's Mountain, Pictou, Nova Scotia

and that Evan is too old and the occupations don't match

is there an occupation for the father on the marriage certificate ?

do you have his death information ... would this be him ?

Name: Evan Mcpherson
Birth Date: abt 1865
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1941
Age at Death: 76
Registration district: Shoreditch
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 132

his name is spelt Mac on the marriage

Marriages Jun 1918
Barker Ellen E Macpherson Poplar 1c 635
MacPherson Edwin Barker Poplar 1c 635

Cjrissiex
Thanks for your help, fairly new to this and find it confusing. I have very little
information and no one to ask. I am doing this for my husband. We do not know where his grandfather was born, cannot find any birth for him in England or Scotland. This is all info I have- I have copy of marriage certifcate for Edwin aka Evan McPherson dated 28/4/18, bachelor, aged 45, profession shown as Seaman, father's name William Macpherson, surname can be spelt either way. I do not know if he was born in Canada, just trying. Only know that he was in England when he married in April 1918.
My father in law was born in Dec 1918, named Evan Cluny McPherson, father's name shown as Evan McPherson,profession Able Seaman, wife's
name is Ellen Eliza McPherson who was a widow. With regards to William I have no details. Hope you can give so suggestions. Thanks for interest.
Lynda McPherson

Stuart if you would tell us what you know about your grandfather ... that we obviously do not ?

there is no point in people guessing at censuses etc

where did he live in Canada ??

what was his wife's name, did he have children by 1911 ?

where and when did he die ?

if he was married ( had children ) by 1911 it should be possible to find them in a census one way or another

it's been explained that birth marriage death records have to be searched for by province

without knowing what province he lived in, nobody can help at all really ...


you have marked a post in this thread as 'answered' ... this business is confusing for many people ... what the 'answered' means is that your question has been answered, so other people don't need to look at your thread anymore

it would be a good idea to 'untick' that post, the first reply in the thead ... you will see something like 'mark as unanswered' at the top of the post, click there ( the rest of us can't see what you should tick as only you can tick posts in your own thread )

MarieCeleste This is not the correct one thanks
Lynda McPherson

Hi Clare
As you say this is not the correct one
Thanks
Lynda McPherson

1891 census in canada
Name: Evan Macpherson
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 18
Birth Year: abt 1873
Birthplace: Scotland
Relation to Head of House: Fils (Son)
Religion: Free Church
French Canadian: No
Father's Birth Place: Scotland
Mother's Birth Place: Scotland
Province: Quebec
District Number: 154
District: Hochelaga
Subdistrict: Ste Cunégonde Town

Andrew Macpherson 45
Jessie Macpherson 40
Evan Macpherson 18
Marie Anne Macpherson 16

This Evan's father is obviously not William, so I guess it is not the right one

Clare

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935

Name: Evan Macpherson
Gender: Male
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Date of Arrival: Apr 1881
Vessel: Manitoban
Port of Arrival: Halifax, Nova Scotia
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland
Roll: C-4511

Hard to read, but it looks like the people he was travelling with were:

Andrew?? 34, a mechanic
June (Janet?) 29
Marion 6

This matches the record WayneTracey found but not sure if it's the right chap?