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Thankyou everyone for your amazing efforts. What you have found would make sense in Alice being the illegitimate daugter of Martha Cheeseman and Charles Shrubb. Martha is indeed related to me.

The name Charles Shrubb Cheeseman came up as the fathers name in the Mormons' records search engine. I assumed that the Shrubb part of the name listed may well have been his mother's maiden name.

Thankypu all once again.

Adam Cheeseman

not a sign of him anywhere Maureen - same conclusion drawn - perhaps Adam will return ......

Yes,well-I think Adam (Cheeseman researcher I guess) is only curious about the Charles Shrubb Chee*man name.

I think it's quite obvious that there was no such fellow.

Best,
Maureen

and this looks to be Charles in 1881

Person: SHRUBB, Charles
Address: Wool Pack Inn, Elstead


census search results 1881 address search redefine current search
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation
Disability Where Born Original
census
image

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SHRUBB, Daniel Head Married M 50 1831 Publican
Headley
Hampshire VIEW
SHRUBB, Mary Wife Married F 54 1827
Headley
Hampshire VIEW
SHRUBB, Edward Son Single M 22 1859 Mason
Elstead
Surrey VIEW
SHRUBB, Charles Son Single M 12 1869 Scholar
Elstead
Surrey VIEW
SHRUBB, Eli Son Single M 9 1872 Scholar
Elstead
Surrey VIEW

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RG number:
RG11 Piece:
790 Folio:
104 Page:
11

Registration District:
Hambledon Sub District:
Witley Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Elstead Municipal Borough:
Address:
Wool Pack Inn, Elstead County:
Surrey

Can't find any marriage for Charles and Martha but from the census entires posted above, it appears that they were never married. This is Martha in 1881
Person: CHEESMAN, Martha
Address: Wanboro Lodge, Wanborough




census search results 1881 address search redefine current search
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation
Disability Where Born Original
census
image

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CHEESMAN, Nathan Head Married M 49 1832 Ag Lab
Pirbright
Surrey VIEW
CHEESMAN, Jane Wife Married F 47 1834
Pirbright
Surrey VIEW
CHEESMAN, Henry Son Single M 22 1859 Groom & Gardener
Ash
Surrey VIEW
CHEESMAN, Mary Daughter Single F 18 1863 Serv (Dom)
Ash
Surrey VIEW
CHEESMAN, Martha Daughter Single F 11 1870 Scholar
Wanborough
Surrey VIEW
CHEESMAN, William Son Single M 9 1872 Scholar
Wanborough
Surrey VIEW
CHEESMAN, Jane Daughter Single F 7 1874 Scholar
Wanborough
Surrey VIEW
LANGRIDGE, William Lodger Widower M 46 1835 Ag Lab
Byton
Hampshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG11 Piece:
780 Folio:
84 Page:
11

Registration District:
Guildford Sub District:
Godalming Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Wanborough Municipal Borough:
Address:
Wanboro Lodge, Wanborough County:
Surrey



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possibly -


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Mabel Alice Shrubb
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Spouse Name: George Frederick Hewitt
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 21 Sep 1918
Parish: St Saviour, Lambeth
County: Surrey
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: Charles Benjamin Shrubb
Spouse Father Name: Janes Hewitt

1911

YANTIAN, Alexander Head Married
3 years M 31 1880 Musician Russia VIEW
YANTIAN, Julia Wife Married
3 years F 31 1880 London Islington VIEW
YANTIAN, Stella Abegail Daughter F 1 1910 London St Pancras VIEW
YANTIAN, Myra Daughter F 0 (8 MONTHS) 1911 London Lambeth VIEW
>>>>>SHRUBB, Mabel Alice Servant Single F 20 1891 Domestic Servant Surrey Guildford VIEW
DUNT, Elizabeth Ann Nurse Single F 24 1887 Domestic Nurse London Lambeth VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
2064 Reference:
RG14PN2064 RG78PN72 RD25 SD4 ED15 SN168

Registration District:
Lambeth Sub District:
Brixton Enumeration District:
15 Parish:
Lambeth

Address:
51 Stockwell Park Road Brixton S W County:
London

lol
:-)

Perfect,Choccy!!! Did you take extra vitamins today or something??!

Maureenxx

Marriages Dec 1894 (>99%)
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Bishop Charles Guildford 2a 170
Cheeseman Martha Guildford 2a 170



1901

BISHOP, Charles Head Married M 27 1874 Portable Engine Driver
Tongham
Surrey VIEW
>>>>>BISHOP, Martha Wife Married F 29 1872
Wanborough
Surrey VIEW
BISHOP, Agnes Alice Daughter F 3 1898
Farncombe
Surrey VIEW
BISHOP, Gladys Annie Daughter F 1 1900
Farncombe
Surrey VIEW
CHEESMAN, Florence J Daughter F 7 1894
Guildford
Surrey VIEW

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
606 Folio:
13 Page:
20

Registration District:
Guildford Sub District:
Godalming Enumeration District:
1 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Farncombe St John the Evangelist

Civil Parish:
Godalming Municipal Borough:
Address:
-, Farncombe Gardens, Godalming County:
Surrey

what about this -

1891


CHEESMAN, Nathan Head Married M 59 1832 Agricultural Labourer
Pirbright
Surrey VIEW
CHEESMAN, Jane Wife Married F 57 1834
Pirbright
Surrey VIEW
>>>>>CHEESMAN, Martha Daughter Single F 21 1870 Domestic Servant
Wanborough
Surrey VIEW
>>>>>CHEESMAN, Mabel Granddaughter F 0 (1M) 1891
Puttenham
Surrey VIEW
UPTON, Mary Granddaughter F 7 1884 Scholar
Wanborough
Surrey VIEW
NEAL, George Lodger Single M 32 1859 Bricklayer Master
Newport
Hampshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG12 Piece:
562 Folio:
89 Page:
1

Registration District:
Guildford Sub District:
Godalming Enumeration District:
9 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Wanborough

Civil Parish:
Wanborough Municipal Borough:
Godalming Address:
Wanborough Lodge, Wanborough, Godalming County:
Surrey



christened at Godalming

Alice Mabel Cheeseman
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
residence: Godalming,? Surrey,? England
parents: Charles Shrubb Cheeseman,? Martha


name: Alice Mabel Cheeseman
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 03 May 1891
baptism/christening place: Guildford, Surrey, England
father's name: Charles Shrubb Cheeseman
mother's name: Martha
indexing project (batch) number: C04101-5
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1278912



Perhaps his real surname was SHRUBB -


1901

SHRUBB, Charlie Head Married M 30 1871 Potman At Public
VIEW
SHRUBB, Catherine Wife Married F 32 1869
VIEW
>>>>>>SHRUBB, Mable Daughter Single F 10 1891
VIEW
SHRUBB, Katie Daughter Single F 6 1895
VIEW
SHRUBB, Walter Son Single M 5 1896
VIEW
SHRUBB, Charlie Son Single M 3 1898
VIEW
SHRUBB, William Son Single M 2 1899
VIEW
MORFORD, Thomas Boarder Single M 30 1871 Basket Maker
VIEW
CHARLTON, William Boarder Single M 39 1862 Blacksmith
VIEW
HORN, Frank Boarder Single M 19 1882 Butcher
VIEW

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
518 Folio:
166 Page:
57

Registration District:
Camberwell Sub District:
St George Enumeration District:
24 Ecclesiastical Parish:
All Saints North Peckham

Civil Parish:
Camberwell Municipal Borough:
Address:
62, Rosemary Road, Camberwell, London County:
London



1911

SHRUBB, Charlie Head Married M 40 1871 Painter Hants Town Not Known VIEW
SHRUBB, Katherine Wife Married
17 years F 42 1869 Lambeth London VIEW
SHRUBB, Kathleen Daughter Single F 16 1895 Dressmaker Lambeth London VIEW
SHRUBB, Walter Son Single M 15 1896 Milk Boy Lambeth London VIEW
SHRUBB, Charles Son M 13 1898 Lambeth London VIEW
SHRUBB, William Son M 12 1899 Lambeth London VIEW
SHRUBB, Annie Daughter F 9 1902 Lambeth London VIEW
SHRUBB, May Daughter F 2 1909 Lambeth London VIEW
TUCK, Arthur Boarder Single M 28 1883 Painter Walworth London VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
2082 Reference:
RG14PN2082 RG78PN72 RD25 SD4 ED33 SN293

Registration District:
Lambeth Sub District:
Brixton Enumeration District:
33 Parish:
Lambeth

Address:
1 Northway Road Herne Hill S E County:
London

6 children born and living (all on the above census EXCEPT Mabel who was with them in 1901)




In 1891 Charles Shrubb was in the Guildford area -

1891

COTTAM, Henry Head Married M 60 1831 Inn Keeper
Whitherswick
Westmorland VIEW
COTTAM, Mary Wife Married F 48 1843
Hyde
Cheshire VIEW
COTTAM, William Son M 15 1876 Scholar
Newton Hyde
Cheshire VIEW
COTTAM, Margaret Daughter F 11 1880 Scholar
Newton Hyde
Cheshire VIEW
COTTAM, Hannah Daughter Single F 19 1872 Bar Maid
Manchester
Lancashire VIEW
BOSTOCK, Henrietta Niece Single F 20 1871 Bar Maid
Hyde
Cheshire VIEW
>>>>>SHRUBB, Charles Servant Single M 19 1872
Headley
Hampshire VIEW
LONGHURST, Sarah Servant F 20 1871 Domestic Servant
Effingham
Surrey VIEW

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RG number:
RG12 Piece:
560 Folio:
100 Page:
5

Registration District:
Guildford Sub District:
Guildford Enumeration District:
11 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Nicholas

Civil Parish:
St Nicholas Municipal Borough:
Guildford Address:
Napolean Hotel, Farnham Road, St Nicholas, Guildford County:
Surrey

Been looking on 1901

Can not find any reference to Charles Shrubb Cheeseman anywhere - regardless of how surname is spelt

Alice baptised in May 91 so maybe born too late for census.

Try finding them in 1901, which should give you Charles age and birthplace.

??

CHEESMAN, Charles S Head Married M 33 1858 China Glass Dealer
Brighton
Sussex VIEW
CHEESMAN, Marth Wife Married F 34 1857
Penrith
Cumberland VIEW


Civil Parish:
Brighton Municipal Borough:
Brighton Address:
169, North Street, Brighton County:
Sussex


MMMM>>>>>>No daughter with them in 1901. No scratch that he is Charles Sutherland

Adam - where did you get the parents names from?

I can find a George and Matilda with daughter Alice, but not a Martha.

spouse: Martha
child: Alice Mabel Cheeseman


name: Alice Mabel Cheeseman
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 03 May 1891
baptism/christening place: Guildford, Surrey, England
father's name: Charles Shrubb Cheeseman
mother's name: Martha
indexing project (batch) number: C04101-5
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1278912

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Has anyone a connection to a Charles Shrubb Cheeseman from Surrey, born sometime in the middle of the 1800s. His wife was Martha and they had (at least) a daughter Alice Mabel Cheeseman born in 1891.

Cheers,

Adam