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Trying to find record of above Birth.
States on Cenus when she married Henry Lillywhite she was born in "ESSEX NL ENGLAND" but when I search records can not find no record of her birth. Know her father was called George as listed in marriage banns.
Can anyone shed any light on above or explain why her DOB is not listed.
Thanks
Linda

Until 1875, there were no penalties for not registering births........she probably wasn't registered

According to this, father George was a carman.

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Henry Lillywhite Name: Henry Lillywhite
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Spouse Name: Charlotte Brannan
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 24 Dec 1882
Parish: St Silas, Pentonville
County: Middlesex
Borough: Islington
Father Name: Henry Lillywhite
Spouse Father Name: George Brannan

She should be on the FREE 1881 census

connection?


name: Charlotte Brennon
event: Census
event date: 1861
gender: Female
age: 43
relationship to head of household: Wife
birthplace: Essex Barnham
record type: Household
registration district: Maldon
sub-district: 4 St Peter
civil parish: St Peter
county: Essex

name: Charlotte Lillywhite
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
gender: Female
age: 38
relationship to head of household: Wife
birthplace: N K, Essex
record type: Household
registration district: Holborn
sub-district: Amwell
ecclesiastical parish: St James Pentonville
civil parish: Clerkenwell
county: London, Middlesex

For ref.........is this the correct 1891?

Name: Charlotte Lillywhite
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Henry Lillywhite
Gender: Female
Where born: London, England

Civil parish: St Luke
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: Old Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 230
Folio: 143
Page Number: 3
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Lillywhite 28
Charlotte Lillywhite 27
Rosina Lillywhite 7
Henry Lillywhite 4
Daisy Lillywhite 2
Violet Lillywhite 11 Weeks
Isabel Warburton 20

name: Henry Lillywhite
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
gender: Male
age: 39
relationship to head of household: Head
birthplace: St Lukes, London
record type: Household
registration district: Holborn
sub-district: Amwell
ecclesiastical parish: St James Pentonville
civil parish: Clerkenwell
county: London, Middlesex

1911 just to confuse things she gives Hackney as place of birth

This looks like Henry & Charlotte in 1881 but they're listed as son & daughter but adress is same as on marriage registration, 9 Ann St., and at the same address are William & Mary Ralph who were the witnesses at the wedding.

1881 England Census
about Henry Lilywhight Name: Henry Lilywhight
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry Lilywhight
Mother's Name: Mary Lilywhight
Gender: Male
Where born: St Pancras

Civil parish: St James Clerkenwell
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 9 Ann St
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Silversmith

Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: Pentonville
ED, institution, or vessel: 4c
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 354
Folio: 63
Page Number: 19
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Lilywhight 49
Mary Lilywhight 50
Henry Lilywhight 18
Charlotte Lilywhight 16

1881 I think that Charlotte is their daughter

1871 ?
Name: Charlotte R Littlewhite
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Henry Littlewhite
Mother's Name: Mary S Littlewhite
Gender: Female
Where born: St Pancras, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington East
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Household schedule number: 289
Piece: 293
Folio: 61
Page Number: 51
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Littlewhite 39
Mary S Littlewhite 40
Richard R Littlewhite 13
Benjn Littlewhite 11
Henry Littlewhite 8
Charlotte R Littlewhite 6



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Births Jun 1864 (>99%)
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LILLYWHITE Charlotte Rosina Pancras 1b 48

Yes, of course, you're right, Glitter, I really jumped to conclusions there. But that is our Henry, the address is the same as the marriage registration.

I did as well when I looked at the 1881

Struggling to find Charlotte on earlier census

Name: Charlotte Rosina Mary Lillywhite
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1883
Baptism Date: 14 Nov 1883
Father's Name: Henry Lillywhite
Mother's Name: Charlotte Lillywhite
Parish or Poor Law Union: Pentonville St Silas
Borough: Islington

Name: Daisy Matilda Lillywhite
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1891
Baptism Date: 10 Apr 1891
Father's Name: Henry Lillywhite
Mother's Name: Charlotte Lillywhite
Parish or Poor Law Union: Pentonville St Silas
Borough: Islington


Name: Violet Isabel Lillywhite
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1891
Baptism Date: 10 Apr 1891
Father's Name: Henry Lillywhite
Mother's Name: Charlotte Lillywhite
Parish or Poor Law Union: Pentonville St Silas
Borough: Islington


Name: George Richard Lillywhite
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1893
Baptism Date: 4 Aug 1893
Father's Name: Henry Lillywhite
Mother's Name: Charlotte Lillywhite
Parish or Poor Law Union: Clerkenwell St James
Borough: Islington

(the 2 Baptisms 1891 give address as 6, Rahere Street, Goswell Road. Occ. Lawn Tennis Bat Stringer)

(matches with 1891 of Flick above)


Name: Henry Lillywhite
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1862
Baptism Date: 6 Jul 1862
Father's Name: Henry Lillywhite (Brass Finisher)
Mother's Name: Mary Susanna Lillywhite
Parish or Poor Law Union: Holy Trinity Marylebone Road
Borough: Westminster

(apologies for moving off query of Charlotte and her Birth!)

Chris :)

Thank you for all your replies.
I wasnt aware that pre 1875 that it wasnt illegal not to register births... learn somthing new each day.

I saw the marriage Banns between her and Henry Lillywhite so estimated her DOB was 1864 seen the Baptisms for the children as Chris Ho listed and census listed same - this is how I came to find out about Charlotte stating being born Essex.

But plot thickens apart from not being able to find Charlotte Brannan on any census after she was born 1864ish, same applies to Henry Lillywhite her husband my ggf. Once married in 1882 they appear but pre this cant find either of them on any census. There is one census where the surname is spelt different but unsure if same.

Another thing which makes me ponder is on Henry and Charlottes Marriage Banns where he signs hes name its marked as "his cross" .. was he illterate? but hes profession is maked as an Electrician....

Im fairly new to this and still learning but throw this one out to see if anyone can answer.. My thought is Henry is not showing on any census in the area he says he was born (as there are many Henry Lillywhites) pre his marriage .. he seems to have signed his name on his marriage banns with a "X".. could it be his family were poverty stricken and in a work house or similar institue.. If that was the case was there any census records for people living in these places ?? Or does anyone know a site where records are kept for viewing on line ??

Thanks for all your help.

Linda

It wasn't uncommon for people at that time not to be able to read or write but it doesn't follow that they would be living in the workhouse. He could well be an electrician without being able to read and write.

By 1881 Charlotte may have been working away from home.

Have you ruled out this family please?

Name: George Brenen
Age: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: London City, London, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Linchouse
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 13 South St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Carman

Registration district: Stepney
Sub-registration district: Limehouse
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 468
Folio: 67
Page Number: 32
Household Members: Name Age
George Brenen 57
Elizabeth Brenen 17 Daughter, Mantle Maker
George Brenen 14 Son, Carman's boy
Charles Brenen 8

Hello Linda,
if you look back here, you'll see Henry in 1871 and 1881 in the Census, posted by Margee and GlitterBaby...(father Henry, a Brass Finisher on both)

Chris :)