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Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 590 Send Message	kidsnpets	Report	20 Sep 2011 17:40
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 590 Send Message	hello I have got a marriage certificate 19th july 1901 for Ruth Carter 108 bridge rd, hammersmith, father frederick james carter deceased and thomas william lancaster. It is only Ruths ancestry i am interested in have done the lancaster side, but struggling with Ruths, have what i think is them in 1901 census Frederick age 51 labourer born hammersmith Eliza 45 lambeth christopher 14 hammersmith ruth 13 hammersmith so if this is the right census frederick must have died in 1901 between the census date and july. any help getting further back with Ruths parents would be great. thanks :-)
Member Since: February 2010 Posts: 18,936 Send Message	Flick	Report	20 Sep 2011 17:46
	Check freebmd for a possible death for the father to confirm your thoughts........or otherwise Who witnessed the marriage? How old was Ruth? She can hardly be the 13 -year-old................
Member Since: March 2006 Posts: 104,516 Send Message	LondonBelle	Report	20 Sep 2011 17:47
	What age did it give for Ruth on the marriage cert? Where was she living? What occupation was given for the Father?
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Member Since: August 2004 Posts: 465 Send Message	Kim	Report	20 Sep 2011 17:47
Member Since: August 2004 Posts: 465 Send Message	For info 1901 Christopher Carter Age: 14 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887 Relation: Son Father's Name: Frederick Carter Mother's Name: Eliza Carter Gender: Male Where born: Hammersmith Civil parish: Hammersmith Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Fulham Sub-registration district: North Hammersmith (including Starch Green) ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 397 Piece: 41 Folio: 106 Page Number: 61 Household Members: Name Age Frederick Carter 51 Eliza Carter 45 Christopher Carter 14 Ruth Carter 13 Hanna Short 55
Member Since: February 2010 Posts: 18,936 Send Message	Flick	Report	20 Sep 2011 17:48
	WHICH year was the marriage????? Marriages Sep 1907 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CARTER Ruth Fulham 1a 780 DOBERS Margaret E H Fulham 1a 780 KUHLENDAHL Johann Wilhelm Fulham 1a 780 LANCASTER Thomas William Fulham 1a 780
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 7,051 Send Message	PollyPoppet	Report	20 Sep 2011 17:49
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 7,051 Send Message	1891 census Address 34, Lower Mall Parish Hammersmith District Fulham, St Paul Hammersmith Administrative County London Householder 1 Name Frederick Carter Age 40 Estimated Year of Birth 1851 Relationship to Head of Household Head Occupation General Labourer Birth Place Hammersmith Birth County London Householder 2 Name Eliza Carter Age 35 Estimated Year of Birth 1856 Relationship to Head of Household Wife Occupation Birth Place Lambeth Birth County London Householder 3 Name Louisa Carter Age 11 Estimated Year of Birth 1880 Relationship to Head of Household Daughter Occupation Scholar Birth Place Hammersmith Birth County London Householder 4 Name Christopher Carter Age 4 Estimated Year of Birth 1887 Relationship to Head of Household Son Occupation Juvenile Birth Place Hammersmith Birth County London Householder 5 Name Ruth Carter Age 3 Estimated Year of Birth 1888 Relationship to Head of Household Daughter Occupation Juvenile Birth Place Hammersmith Birth County London Householder 6 Name Eliza Carter Age 0 Estimated Year of Birth 1891 Relationship to Head of Household Daughter Occupation Juvenile Birth Place Hammersmith Birth County London
Member Since: August 2004 Posts: 465 Send Message	Kim	Report	20 Sep 2011 17:50
Member Since: August 2004 Posts: 465 Send Message	1891 England Census about Christopher Carter Name: Christopher Carter Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887 Relation: Son Father's Name: Frederick Carter Mother's Name: Eliza Carter Gender: Male Where born: Hammersmith, London, England Civil parish: Hammersmith County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Fulham Sub-registration district: St Paul Hammersmith ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 36 Folio: 179 Page Number: 38 Household Members: Name Age Frederick Carter 40 Eliza Carter 35 Louisa Carter 11 Christopher Carter 4 Ruth Carter 3 Eliza
Member Since: February 2010 Posts: 18,936 Send Message	Flick	Report	20 Sep 2011 17:51
	As the marriage was 6 years later than we have been led to believe..................the 1901 census look to fit with 1911 1911 census - household transcription Person: LANCASTER, Ruth Address: 101 Yeldham Road Hammersmith W LANCASTER, Thomas Head Married 4 years M 31 1880 Electrcian General Normanton York VIEW LANCASTER, Ruth Wife F 24 1887 Hammersmith London VIEW LANCASTER, Grace Daughter Single F 0 (7 MONTHS) 1911 Hammersmith London VIEW -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG number: RG14 Piece: 229 Reference: RG14PN229 RG78PN8 RD3 SD2 ED3 SN501
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 7,051 Send Message	PollyPoppet	Report	20 Sep 2011 17:51
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 7,051 Send Message	1881 census Address 8, Queens Road Parish Hammersmith District Fulham, St Paul Hammersmith Administrative County Middlesex Householder 1 Name Fredrick Carter Age 31 Estimated Year of Birth 1850 Relationship to Head of Household Head Occupation Bricklayers Labourer Birth Place Hamsth Birth County Middlesex Householder 2 Name Eliza Carter Age 24 Estimated Year of Birth 1857 Relationship to Head of Household Wife Occupation Birth Place Burnham Birth County Buckinghamshire Householder 3 Name Louie Carter Age 1 Estimated Year of Birth 1880 Relationship to Head of Household Daughter Occupation Juvenile Birth Place Hammersmith Birth County Middlesex Householder 4 Name Alice Carter Age 0 Estimated Year of Birth 1881 Relationship to Head of Household Daughter Occupation Juvenile Birth Place Hammersmith Birth County Middlesex
Member Since: December 2006 Posts: 4,046 Send Message	Mark	Report	20 Sep 2011 17:52
	Is your thread on another website If not it looks to be your man Frederick James Carter « on: Monday 21 June 10 12:39 BST (UK) » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi I am researching my family tree, I am stuck on Frederick James Carter Hammersmith born 1851 approx, later married Eliza Pemberton, Buckinghamshire 1852. I am trying to find his parents/grandparents etc, also his children,I have Ruth Carter about 1886 born London?. I dont have access to the census at the moment so i am completely stuck. I am also trying to find a American Indian Link somewhere on this side of the family. any help would be really appreciated. many thanks Logged -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Turner, Bridport, Dorset, and St Pancras Triggs, Liskeard Cornwall, and St Pancras and Ireland. Bashford, Lancaster, Yorkshire and London. Carter,Willis,Batts, London area. Carter and Green London areas Mort29 RootsChat Marquessate Posts: 3801 Re: Frederick James Carter « Reply #1 on: Monday 21 June 10 12:50 BST (UK) » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1891 census of Hammersmith RG12; Piece: 36; Folio 179; Page 38 - 34, Lower Mall Frederick Carter 40 Head of Household born Hammersmith: a Labourer Eliza Carter 35 Wife born Lambeth Louisa Carter 11 dau Hammersmith Christopher Carter 4 son ditto Ruth Carter 3 dau ditto Eliza Carter 10/12 dau ditto big gap from the oldest to Christopher - might suggest 2nd marriage. Hopefully the 1881 census will help. RG11; Piece: 54; Folio: 93; Page: 48 Hammersmith, 8, Queens Road Fredrick Carter 31 Head of House born Hammersmith: Bricklayers Labourer Eliza Carter 24 Wife born Buckinghamshire, Burnham 'Louie' Carter 1 dau Hammersmith Alice E. Carter 2 months old ditto hmmm, seems like the same lady agewise, wonder why 1891 says Lambeth? Mort29 RootsChat Marquessate Posts: 3801 Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk Re: Frederick James Carter « Reply #2 on: Monday 21 June 10 13:01 BST (UK) » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- going back to Frederick with his parents in 1861 Hammersmith RG9; Piece: 25; Folio: 104; Page: 30 Hammersmith, Argyle Place, Argyle Cottage Frederick J Carter 33 Head of Household born Middx, St Lukes: a Coach Painter Elizabeth Carter 30 Wife born Berkshire, Reading Frederick Carter 9 son born Hammersmith Walter Carter 8 son ditto Elizabeth Carter 6 dau ditto Louisa Carter 4 dau ditto Mary Carter 2 dau ditto Charles Carter 5 Mo son ditto Theres a SEP Q 1848 Kensington District marriage of a Frederick J Carter, but no Elizabeths on the page. Thats a real shame, as its going to be harder getting back further given the # of Freds on the 1841. Logged dawnsh Moderator RootsChat Marquessate Posts: 5195 Re: Frederick James Carter « Reply #3 on: Monday 21 June 10 13:04 BST (UK) » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frederick Carter & Eliza Pemberton married Sept 1/4 1878 Fulham 1a 420 . If you don't already have it, the marriage cert should confirm his father's name & occupation. Dawn Logged Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk Sherry-Paddington & Marylebone, Longhurst-Ealing & Capel, Abinger, Ewhurst & Ockley, Chandler-Chelsea partydancer RootsChat Extra Posts: 79 Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk Re: Frederick James Carter « Reply #4 on: Monday 21 June 10 13:29 BST (UK) » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- hi thanks very much, this is my husbands side, i a still trying to find the american/canadian native indian ancestor, i know its on this side somewhere as my husband saw a photo of her in traditional costume, so cant be too far back if there was a photo? Logged -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Turner, Bridport, Dorset, and St Pancras Triggs, Liskeard Cornwall, and St Pancras and Ireland. Bashford, Lancaster, Yorkshire and London. Carter,Willis,Batts, London area. Carter and Green London areas Mort29 RootsChat Marquessate Posts: 3801 Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk Re: Frederick James Carter « Reply #5 on: Monday 21 June 10 13:30 BST (UK) » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking at Eliza Pemberton - no sign of one associated with Buckinghamshire, but this lady was born LAMBETH. 1871 census RG10; Piece: 793; Folio: 64; Page: 15 - Kent, Plumstead, 56 Walmer Road Edwin Pemberton 53 Head of Household born Worcester: an Iron Moulder Elizabeth Pemberton 50 Wife Worcester John Pemberton 17 son born Birmingham: Iron Moulder Eliza Pemberton 15 dau LAMBETH Alfred Pemberton 11 son Woolwich Annie Brondis 2 Boarder Logged Mort29 RootsChat Marquessate Posts: 3801 Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk Re: Frederick James Carter « Reply #6 on: Monday 21 June 10 13:33 BST (UK) » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote from: partydancer on Monday 21 June 10 13:29 BST (UK) hi thanks very much, this is my husbands side, i a still trying to find the american/canadian native indian ancestor, i know its on this side somewhere as my husband saw a photo of her in traditional costume, so cant be too far back if there was a photo? well, we are back pre-photography days on the male Carter Line - it could be there was something on one of the female lines ? Or perhaps another male Carter from the family shown in 1861 married an Amerin ? no more clues as to the period / place ? Logged partydancer RootsChat Extra Posts: 79 Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk Re: Frederick James Carter « Reply #7 on: Monday 21 June 10 13:35 BST (UK) » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think it must be, if only i had started this when my grandparents were alive? dont know when the first black and white photos were taken? Logged -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Turner, Bridport, Dorset, and St Pancras Triggs, Liskeard Cornwall, and St Pancras and Ireland. Bashford, Lancaster, Yorkshire and London. Carter,Willis,Batts, London area. Carter and Green London areas Mort29 RootsChat Marquessate Posts: 3801 Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk Re: Frederick James Carter « Reply #8 on: Monday 21 June 10 13:39 BST (UK) » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1840s is considered early, tho not quite photos as we know them (glass / not sure of the technique) - http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/1_early/1_early_photography_-_1839.htm? )
Member Since: December 2006 Posts: 4,046 Send Message	Mark	Report	20 Sep 2011 17:52
	Is your thread on another website If not it looks to be your man Frederick James Carter « on: Monday 21 June 10 12:39 BST (UK) » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi I am researching my family tree, I am stuck on Frederick James Carter Hammersmith born 1851 approx, later married Eliza Pemberton, Buckinghamshire 1852. I am trying to find his parents/grandparents etc, also his children,I have Ruth Carter about 1886 born London?. I dont have access to the census at the moment so i am completely stuck. I am also trying to find a American Indian Link somewhere on this side of the family. any help would be really appreciated. many thanks Logged -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Turner, Bridport, Dorset, and St Pancras Triggs, Liskeard Cornwall, and St Pancras and Ireland. Bashford, Lancaster, Yorkshire and London. Carter,Willis,Batts, London area. Carter and Green London areas Mort29 RootsChat Marquessate Posts: 3801 Re: Frederick James Carter « Reply #1 on: Monday 21 June 10 12:50 BST (UK) » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1891 census of Hammersmith RG12; Piece: 36; Folio 179; Page 38 - 34, Lower Mall Frederick Carter 40 Head of Household born Hammersmith: a Labourer Eliza Carter 35 Wife born Lambeth Louisa Carter 11 dau Hammersmith Christopher Carter 4 son ditto Ruth Carter 3 dau ditto Eliza Carter 10/12 dau ditto big gap from the oldest to Christopher - might suggest 2nd marriage. Hopefully the 1881 census will help. RG11; Piece: 54; Folio: 93; Page: 48 Hammersmith, 8, Queens Road Fredrick Carter 31 Head of House born Hammersmith: Bricklayers Labourer Eliza Carter 24 Wife born Buckinghamshire, Burnham 'Louie' Carter 1 dau Hammersmith Alice E. Carter 2 months old ditto hmmm, seems like the same lady agewise, wonder why 1891 says Lambeth? Mort29 RootsChat Marquessate Posts: 3801 Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk Re: Frederick James Carter « Reply #2 on: Monday 21 June 10 13:01 BST (UK) » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- going back to Frederick with his parents in 1861 Hammersmith RG9; Piece: 25; Folio: 104; Page: 30 Hammersmith, Argyle Place, Argyle Cottage Frederick J Carter 33 Head of Household born Middx, St Lukes: a Coach Painter Elizabeth Carter 30 Wife born Berkshire, Reading Frederick Carter 9 son born Hammersmith Walter Carter 8 son ditto Elizabeth Carter 6 dau ditto Louisa Carter 4 dau ditto Mary Carter 2 dau ditto Charles Carter 5 Mo son ditto Theres a SEP Q 1848 Kensington District marriage of a Frederick J Carter, but no Elizabeths on the page. Thats a real shame, as its going to be harder getting back further given the # of Freds on the 1841. Logged dawnsh Moderator RootsChat Marquessate Posts: 5195 Re: Frederick James Carter « Reply #3 on: Monday 21 June 10 13:04 BST (UK) » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frederick Carter & Eliza Pemberton married Sept 1/4 1878 Fulham 1a 420 . If you don't already have it, the marriage cert should confirm his father's name & occupation. Dawn Logged Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk Sherry-Paddington & Marylebone, Longhurst-Ealing & Capel, Abinger, Ewhurst & Ockley, Chandler-Chelsea partydancer RootsChat Extra Posts: 79 Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk Re: Frederick James Carter « Reply #4 on: Monday 21 June 10 13:29 BST (UK) » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- hi thanks very much, this is my husbands side, i a still trying to find the american/canadian native indian ancestor, i know its on this side somewhere as my husband saw a photo of her in traditional costume, so cant be too far back if there was a photo? Logged -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Turner, Bridport, Dorset, and St Pancras Triggs, Liskeard Cornwall, and St Pancras and Ireland. Bashford, Lancaster, Yorkshire and London. Carter,Willis,Batts, London area. Carter and Green London areas Mort29 RootsChat Marquessate Posts: 3801 Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk Re: Frederick James Carter « Reply #5 on: Monday 21 June 10 13:30 BST (UK) » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking at Eliza Pemberton - no sign of one associated with Buckinghamshire, but this lady was born LAMBETH. 1871 census RG10; Piece: 793; Folio: 64; Page: 15 - Kent, Plumstead, 56 Walmer Road Edwin Pemberton 53 Head of Household born Worcester: an Iron Moulder Elizabeth Pemberton 50 Wife Worcester John Pemberton 17 son born Birmingham: Iron Moulder Eliza Pemberton 15 dau LAMBETH Alfred Pemberton 11 son Woolwich Annie Brondis 2 Boarder Logged Mort29 RootsChat Marquessate Posts: 3801 Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk Re: Frederick James Carter « Reply #6 on: Monday 21 June 10 13:33 BST (UK) » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote from: partydancer on Monday 21 June 10 13:29 BST (UK) hi thanks very much, this is my husbands side, i a still trying to find the american/canadian native indian ancestor, i know its on this side somewhere as my husband saw a photo of her in traditional costume, so cant be too far back if there was a photo? well, we are back pre-photography days on the male Carter Line - it could be there was something on one of the female lines ? Or perhaps another male Carter from the family shown in 1861 married an Amerin ? no more clues as to the period / place ? Logged partydancer RootsChat Extra Posts: 79 Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk Re: Frederick James Carter « Reply #7 on: Monday 21 June 10 13:35 BST (UK) » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think it must be, if only i had started this when my grandparents were alive? dont know when the first black and white photos were taken? Logged -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Turner, Bridport, Dorset, and St Pancras Triggs, Liskeard Cornwall, and St Pancras and Ireland. Bashford, Lancaster, Yorkshire and London. Carter,Willis,Batts, London area. Carter and Green London areas Mort29 RootsChat Marquessate Posts: 3801 Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk Re: Frederick James Carter « Reply #8 on: Monday 21 June 10 13:39 BST (UK) » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1840s is considered early, tho not quite photos as we know them (glass / not sure of the technique) - http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/1_early/1_early_photography_-_1839.htm? )
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 7,051 Send Message	PollyPoppet	Report	20 Sep 2011 17:54
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 7,051 Send Message	1861 census Address King Street Argyle Place Parish Hammersmith District Kensington, St Paul Hammersmith Administrative County London, Middlesex Householder 1 Name Frederick Carter Age 33 Estimated Year of Birth 1828 Relationship to Head of Household Head Occupation Coach Painter Birth Place St Luke Birth County Middlesex Householder 2 Name Elizabeth Carter Age 30 Estimated Year of Birth 1831 Relationship to Head of Household Wife Occupation Dress Maker Birth Place Reading Birth County Berkshire Householder 3 Name Frederick Carter Age 9 Estimated Year of Birth 1852 Relationship to Head of Household Son Occupation Scholar Birth Place Hammersmith Birth County Middlesex Householder 4 Name Walter Carter Age 8 Estimated Year of Birth 1853 Relationship to Head of Household Son Occupation Scholar Birth Place Hammersmith Birth County Middlesex Householder 5 Name Elizabeth Carter Age 6 Estimated Year of Birth 1855 Relationship to Head of Household Daughter Occupation Juvenile Birth Place Hammersmith Birth County Middlesex Householder 6 Name Louisa Carter Age 4 Estimated Year of Birth 1857 Relationship to Head of Household Daughter Occupation Juvenile Birth Place Hammersmith Birth County Middlesex Householder 7 Name Mary Carter Age 2 Estimated Year of Birth 1859 Relationship to Head of Household Daughter Occupation Juvenile Birth Place Hammersmith Birth County Middlesex Householder 8 Name Charles Carter Age 0 Estimated Year of Birth 1861 Relationship to Head of Household Son Occupation Juvenile Birth Place Hammersmith Birth County Middlesex
Member Since: August 2004 Posts: 465 Send Message	Kim	Report	20 Sep 2011 17:56
Member Since: August 2004 Posts: 465 Send Message	A tree on ancestry states wife is Eliza Pemberton & that Frederick is the son of Frederick James Carter (b1828) & Elizabeth (b1831)
Member Since: August 2004 Posts: 465 Send Message	Kim	Report	20 Sep 2011 18:10
Member Since: August 2004 Posts: 465 Send Message	Possible marriage: CARTER, Frederick Registration District: Help Fulham County: London Year of Registration: 1878 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912 Volume No: 1A Page No: 420 MarriageFinder™: Frederick Carter married one of the following people GREGORY, Edith view record PEMBERTON, Eliza view record
Member Since: August 2004 Posts: 465 Send Message	Kim	Report	20 Sep 2011 18:21
Member Since: August 2004 Posts: 465 Send Message	1851 Frederick J Carter Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Carter Gender: M (Male) Where born: London, Hampshire, England Civil parish: Hammersmith Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Kensington Sub-registration district: Brompton ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 127 Piece: 1469 Folio: 454 Page Number: 30 Household Members: Name Age Frederick J Carter 24 Elizabeth Carter 21
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 590 Send Message	kidsnpets	Report	20 Sep 2011 18:38
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 590 Send Message	sorry lost my connection so couldnt reply, It says ruth is 21 it is possible it is 1907 not 1901 the writing is bad, and Ruths father is a general labourer, witnesses are G and L Smith i think, thanks :-)
Member Since: August 2004 Posts: 465 Send Message	Kim	Report	20 Sep 2011 18:58
Member Since: August 2004 Posts: 465 Send Message	The only way to further it is, I think, to order a birth certificate for Frederick James Carter, Ruth's father...that way you will confirm his mother's maiden name, then you can trace their marriage, get their fathers' name and find them in 1841. I ran a search on births of Frederick Carter in Kensington (the district which covers Hammersmith) between 1849 and 1852. There were three Fredericks, but only one had the middle name James Kensington Sep qr 1851 vol 3 pg 367 Best wishes Kim in Hull
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 590 Send Message	kidsnpets	Report	20 Sep 2011 19:03
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 590 Send Message	that probably explains why i cant find fredericks death as i was looking in 1901 not 1907, need to try and find his siblings etc, :-)
Member Since: August 2004 Posts: 465 Send Message	Kim	Report	21 Sep 2011 09:55
Member Since: August 2004 Posts: 465 Send Message	This MAY be his death: Frederick Carter 1901 Dec qr vol 1a pg 97 age stated as 52

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