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Doing this for a friend but stuck!

I wonder if a new pair of eyes could please help.

This is the only census I seem to be able to find Francis on.

1861 England Census
about Francis Goldthorpe
Name: Francis Goldthorpe
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Son-in-Law
Spouse's Name: Anne Goldthorpe
Gender: Male
Where born: Merton, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Mitcham
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Croydon
Sub-registration district: Mitcham
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 49
Piece: 453
Folio: 57
Page Number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Barnes 52
Thomas Barnes 12
Robert Barnes 19
Francis Goldthorpe 30
Anne Goldthorpe 30
Elizabeth Goldthorpe 10
William Goldthorpe 6
Alfred Goldthorpe 4
Henry Goldthorpe 1

He married Ann Miller in 1849 and I have that from Ancestry London Marriages, but he is down as Son in Law on this census??

His father was a Jonathon Goldthorp/e who I think married Jane Gregory.

I don't seem to be able to find any of them on previous census and knowing how good you other girls and boys are I am asking for your help please.

Francis was a Cabinet Maker born Merton Surrey. Ann his wife on the 1861 is down as a Milliner & Dressmaker her fathers name was John Miller both fathers deceased on their marriage.

Thanks Mel

1871?

GOLDTHORPE, Francis Head M 42 1829 London VIEW
GOLDTHORPE, Anne Wife F 42 1829 Somerset VIEW
GOLDTHORPE, Elizabeth Daughter F 19 1852 Surrey VIEW
GOLDTHORPE, William Son M 15 1856 Surrey VIEW
GOLDTHORPE, Alfred Son M 11 1860 Surrey VIEW
GOLDTHORPE, Henry Son M 8 1863 Surrey VIEW

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RG number:
RG10 Piece:
757 Folio:
36 Page:
33

Registration District:
Greenwich Sub District:
Greenwich, East Enumeration District:
6 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Greenwich Municipal Borough:
Address:
Trafalgar Grove, Greenwich County:
London, Kent

For Info

1871 Census

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GOLDTHORPE, Francis Head M 42 1829 London
GOLDTHORPE, Anne Wife F 42 1829 Somerset
GOLDTHORPE, Elizabeth Daughter F 19 1852 Surrey
GOLDTHORPE, William Son M 15 1856 Surrey
GOLDTHORPE, Alfred Son M 11 1860 Surrey
GOLDTHORPE, Henry Son M 8 1863 Surrey

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RG number:
RG10 Piece:
757 Folio:
36 Page:
33

Registration District:
Greenwich Sub District:
Greenwich, East Enumeration District:
6 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Greenwich Municipal Borough:
Address:
Trafalgar Grove, Greenwich County:
London, Kent

Oh great I have just found this one too!! Thankyou.

1871 England Census
about Frances Goldthorpe
Name: Frances Goldthorpe
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Anne Goldthorpe
Gender: Male
Where born: Newington, London, England
Civil parish: Greenwich
Ecclesiastical parish: St Alphage
Town: Greenwich
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: Greenwich East
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 209
Piece: 757
Folio: 36
Page Number: 33
Household Members: Name Age
Frances Goldthorpe 42
Anne Goldthorpe 42
Elizabeth Goldthorpe 19
William Goldthorpe 15
Alfred Goldthorpe 11
Henry Goldthorpe 8

His dau Elizabeth married in 1872. I am following Henry.

If this is him, his DOB is well out .


FRANCIS GOLDTHORP
Event(s):
Birth: 30 OCT 1824

Christening: 21 NOV 1824 Saint Mary, Newington, Surrey, England

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Parents:
Father: JONATHAN GOLDTHORP
Mother: JANE

1851 he is listed as GOLDTHERN I think

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Francis Goldthorp
Name: Francis Goldthorp
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1824
Baptism Date: 21 Nov 1824
Father's Name: Jonathan Goldthorp
Mother's Name: Jane Goldthorp
Parish or Poor Law Union: Newington St Mary
Borough: Southwark

Yes Mike thats the one I have. Jonathon and Jane Gregory but I can't get past these two.

Who is Susan Goldthorp the witness on the marriage cert ?

Think this may be him and his mother remarried?????

1841 England Census
about Jane Allen
Name: Jane Allen
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Gender: Female

Civil parish: St Mary Newington
Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: St Mary Newington
Sub-registration district: Trinity
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1065
Book: 8
Folio: 15
Page Number: 22
Household Members: Name Age
Stephen Allen 55
Jane Allen 45
Francis Goldthorp 16 ********
Mary Goldthorp 15 **********
Mary Connick 27
Charles Jones 8
George Jones 6
Louisa Connick 1

??

Name: Susan Goldthorp
Spouse Name: John Tester Jr
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 10 Dec 1853
Parish: St Mary at Lambeth
County: Surrey
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: Jonathan Goldthorp
Spouse Father Name: John Tester

Big difference between being born 1824 and 1831

How can you be sure it's the same person ?



There is also this marriage to consider...



JONATHAN GOLDTHORP--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Marriages:
Spouse: JANE JONES
Marriage: 25 SEP 1814 Saint Mary, Newington, Surrey, England

Thanks Glitter I shall take a look at the Goldthern and yes I think Susan was a witness.

1841 England Census about Francis Goldthorp
Name: Francis Goldthorp
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Gender: Male
Where born: Surrey, England

Civil parish: St Mary Newington
Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

View image

Registration district: St Mary Newington
Sub-registration district: Trinity
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1065
Book: 8
Folio: 15
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
Stephen Allen 55
Jane Allen 45
Francis Goldthorp 16
Mary Goldthorp 15
Mary Connick 27
Charles Jones 8
George Jones 6
Louisa Connick 1

Yes Maureen thats them on the 1851 thankyou.

Interestingly, the 1841 census also has children named Jones.

Where did you get Gregory from ?

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Jonathan Goldthorp
Name: Jonathan Goldthorp
Spouse Name: Jane Jones
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 25 Sep 1814
Parish: St Mary, Newington
County: Surrey
Borough: Southwark

Thanks Mike I think maybe Jane Jones was a witness on a wedding too.

Shall have a look after lunch now.

Thanks all for the moment.

Back now after oh had knocked all the eletric out and messed everything up!

As to the wedding of Jonathon and Jane Jones they are both widower and widow on their marriage lines so I must have come to the conclusion that her maiden name was Gregory somewhere else. I can't quite make out the witnesses to their wedding. Thos Porter, Maria ?????? and Mary Ann Carr????