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William Metcalf (1820) married to Catherine Thompson in September 1938. I have found William in the 1861 census - for misc ships and vessels as he was a mariner at sea or in port. However, I cannot find Catherine in any of the census. As far as I know she was living in Sunderland. William and Catherine definately had one son James Metcalf born 26/08/1842, there may well be other children. I have tried to search in the census for Catherine and James but have found nothing. I bet someone out there can find them - thanks Maxine x

Looks like they went to thr US.

1880 United States Federal Census
about William Metcalf
Name: William Metcalf
Home in 1880: Almont, Lapeer, Michigan
Age: 59
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of Household: Self (Head)
Spouse's Name: Catharine Metcalf
Father's birthplace: England
Mother's birthplace: England
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Occupation: Farmer
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
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Household Members: Name Age
William Metcalf 59
Catharine Metcalf 58
James Metcalf 26
Susanna Metcalf 21
Martha Wilson 16


All the children were born in Canada /Catherine born in Scotland

Hi Susan Thanks for this. I Think we may be on the wrong track. James Metcalf (1842) definately stayed in England as he married Alice Dembry in 1864. Also I know William Metcalf (1820) was a mariner as he went away to sea. But thanks anyway.

Maxine

Hi David

Do you know where James 1842 was born please.
Sue

On his marriage certificate to Alice in 1864 what was James' occupation please. I note that she is a widow by 1871.

William Metcalf (1820) married to Catherine Thompson in September 1938


WOW ! ........ married at aged 118

I have searched for a William Metcalf married to a Catherine in all Census and cannot find one .
There is also no catherine and William as parents to James bn 1842.

David how do you know William Married Catherine Thompson,do you have a marriage cert for them.
Sue

The only marriage for 1838 to Catherine ....but not Thompson.
Was she married before ?


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Marriages Dec 1838 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

ADDISON Catherine Teesdale 24 252
Allinson Margaret Teesdale 24 252
DALKIN Thomas Teesdale 24 252
EALES Elizabeth Teesdale 24 252
Elliot Peter Teesdale 24 252
>>>>>>METCALF William Teesdale 24 252
RICKABY George Teesdale 24 252
Walton Mary Teesdale 24 252

On the marriage registration the name is Mitcalf

1841

POTTS, William M 45 1796 Durham VIEW
POTTS, Margaret F 45 1796 Durham VIEW
POTTS, William M 20 1821 Durham VIEW
POTTS, Thomas M 20 1821 Durham VIEW
POTTS, Mary F 15 1826 Durham VIEW
POTTS, Margart F 15 1826 Durham VIEW
POTTS, Jane F 10 1831 Durham VIEW
POTTS, Caroline F 5 1836 Durham VIEW
POTTS, Elizabeth F 5 1836 Durham VIEW
FERRY, William M 20 1821 Durham VIEW
FERRY, Elizabeth F 15 1826 Durham VIEW
CARTER, Martha F 35 1806 Durham VIEW
CARTER, Margaret F 10 1831 Durham VIEW
CARTER, Dorothey F 5 1836 Durham VIEW
CARTER, William M 5 1836 Durham VIEW
CARTER, Thomas M 2 1839 Durham VIEW
REED, John M 25 1816 Durham VIEW
REED, Jane F 25 1816 Durham VIEW
REED, John M 2 1839 Durham VIEW
REED, Thomas M 1 1840 Durham VIEW
HINDMARCH, Margaret F 80 1761 Durham VIEW
>>MITCALF, James M 25 1816 Durham VIEW >>>Sailor
>>MITCALF, Catherin F 20 1821 Durham VIEW
MITCALF, William M 1 1840 Durham VIEW
MITCALF, Margaret F 15 1826 Durham VIEW
RICHARDSON, David M 55 1786 Durham VIEW
RICHARDSON, Isabella F 55 1786 Durham VIEW
RICHARDSON, John M 25 1816 Durham VIEW
RICHARDSON, Eleanor F 20 1821 Durham VIEW
RICHARDSON, Richard M 18 1823 Durham VIEW
HAVELOCK, Geoe M 30 1811 Durham VIEW


Civil Parish:
Sunderland Municipal Borough:
Sunderland Address:
Pottery Bank, Sunderland County:
Durham

So it is ! ... Thanks Astra


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Marriages Sep 1838 (>99%)
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CROSLEY John Sunderland 24 225
DAY Ann Sunderland 24 225
>>>>>>>>>Mitcalf William - Sunderland 24 225
Morrison William Sunderland 24 225
Reed William Sunderland 24 225
STRINGER Elizabeth Sunderland 24 225
>>>>>>>>>THOMPSON Catherine - Sunderland 24 225
TURNER Elizabeth Sunderland 24 225

1871?:

METCALF, Alice Head F 29 1842 County Durham
DUMBEY, Thomas Son M 12 1859 County Durham (Could be Dumbry)
METCALF, James D Son M 7 1864 County Durham
METCALF, Christiana Daughter F 3 1868 County Durham

Registration District: Sunderland
Sub District: Monkwearmouth
Enumeration District: 14
Civil Parish: Monkwearmouth Shore
Municipal Borough: Sunderland

Address: Hardwicke Street, Monkwearmouth Shore, Sunderland County: Durham

** All born Monkwearmouth

It looks as though Catherine married Joseph Viley in 1850 so William must have died before then

Marriages Jun 1850 (>99%)
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Cole Joseph Sunderland 24 317
Cox Thomas Sunderland 24 317
Fereday Thomas Malton 24 317
Galt George Sunderland 24 317
Hall Elizabeth Sunderland 24 317
Hutson Margaret Sunderland 24 317
>>Metcalf Catherine Sunderland 24 317
Pinning Hannah Sunderland 24 317
>>Viley Joseph Sunderland 24 317


The children in the 1851 are transcribed as Mitchell and in 1861 as Mitkiffs

James Mitkiffs
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Stepson
Mother's Name: Catherine Viley
Gender: Male
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England
Civil parish: Sunderland
Ecclesiastical parish: Sunderland
County/Island: Durham
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Viley 36 >>>Shipwright
James Mitkiffs 18
John Mitkiffs 16
Joseph Viley 8
Margaret A Viley 2
Catherine Viley 40

Maxine - do you have both of William's marriage certificates and James b 1842 birth certificate to make sure everything ties up?

Thanks to you all. OK - I will try to confirm the information I already have. I have James Metcalf (1842 - 1869) birth certificate, marriage certificate and death certificate. All documents refer to his father as William Metcalf (mariner). The birth cert shows parents William Metcalf and Catherine Metcalf (formerly Thompson). Free BMD shows the marriage of William Metcalf (recorded as Mitcalf) to Catherine Thompson. I dont have a marriage certificate for William Metcalf and Catherine but believe free bmd to be fairly accurate. James Metcalf (1842) was a shipwright and he died of heart disease at the age of 27 in 1869. His widow Alice Dembry remarried Thomas MacDonald in 1872.

William Metcalf may well have died before 1850 and Catherine Thompson may well have remarried Joseph Viley in 1850.

The reference in the 1841 census to the family living in Pottery Bank would tie up with James Metcalf (1842) birth certificate as the address on it is shown as Pottery Bank.

Thanks for all your input - I hope this helps you to confirm your research. I think we are on the right track. Maxine

Thanks Maxine
In the 1861 census James Mitkiffs is a shipwright as is Joseph Viley.
Seems to all tie up.

Hi Astra - I have sent you a message - must have crossed in cyberspace haha. Inm not sure about this the 1841 census shows James metcalf as 25 and William as 1. This could be just a recording error, except my James Metcalf wasnt born until 26/08/1842. Also I thought my William Metcalf was at sea in 1861 so his widow couldnt have remarried in 1851. It is all very confusing - any suggestions as to how I establish which William Metcalf and which James Metcalf are the right ones - nightmare! Maxine

I have just sent you a message too.

I think the James married to Catherine on the 1841 census could in fact be William. He may have been William James and preferred to be known as James it's difficult to say. I don't think that their son William is your James. He appears to be their first child and may well have died. The address Pottery Bank matches with the address you have on James birth certificate and the Catherine on that census matches age - wise with the Catherine who married Joseph Viley so I think it's a pretty good bet that it is the correct family. Especially as James is noted as a shipwright on the 1861 with Catherine and Joseph.