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Could someone please, do a 1841 Census lookup for William & Mary Mainwaring. William was born about 1793 in Liverpool, not sure about Mary! They lived in Liverpool. They had a son John born about 1826, not sure if anymore children living at home.............. There other son James was Married at this time!


Kind regards Sally

Sally

the only William Mainwaring I can find on the 1841 living in Liverpool was married to Agnes. They had 4 sons, the youngest was John, but born ca 1833. No James.

I do not think this is yours, but here it is, in case. The birth year of 1796 is within the range .... enumerators on the 1841 were supposed to round the age down to the nearest 5.


Name: William Mainwaring
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Liverpool
Hundred: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Dale Street

William Mainwaring 45 Sailmaker
Agnes Mainwaring 50
George Mainwaring 20 Watch Maker
Richard Mainwaring 25 Watch Maker
Christopher Mainwaring 13
John Mainwaring 7

Address:- Marlborough Street


All born in Lancashire



sylvia

Following on from Sylvia's find this
note occupation of father

William Mainwaring
Birth Date: 24 Dec 1793
Age: 0
Baptism Date: 23 Feb 1794
Parish: Liverpool St Nicholas
Father's Name: William Mainwaring


William Mainwearing 2nd born child Cropper Street, Sailmaker mother Ellen Green his wife

the first child

Aaron Mainwaring
Birth Date: 2 Jul 1791
Age: 0
Baptism Date: 24 Jul 1791
Parish: Liverpool St Nicholas
Father's Name: William Mainwaring
father sail maker Cropper Street
The place where the parents were married ,this chapel 1789

and that marriage
William Mainwaring
Marriage Date: 7 Aug 1789
Parish: Liverpool St Nicholas
Spouse's Name: Ollen Green record reads Ellen Green

William Mainwearing is a Sailmaker and in the presence of John Wright and William Green

A son for William and Mary that allotment found

John Lyon Mainwarring
Birth Date: 13 Jul
[abt 1808]
Baptism Date: 31 Jul 1808
Parish: Liverpool St Nicholas
Father's Name: William Mainwarring

St Thomas buildings a tailor and his wife Mary Lyon

a daughter
Dorothy Manwaring
Birth Date: 22 Aug 1802
Age: 9
Baptism Date: 8 Jan 1812
Parish: Liverpool St Nicholas
Father's Name: Wm Manwaring

and another son
Richard Manwarring
Birth Date: 14 Aug
[abt 1810]
Baptism Date: 21 Oct 1810
Parish: Liverpool St Peter
Father's Name: William Manwarring
father a tailor

daughter
Eliza Manwaring
Birth Date: 12 Apr
[abt 1812]
Baptism Date: 12 Apr 1812
Parish: Liverpool St Nicholas
Father's Name: Wm Manwaringa tailor

I wonder why Sally thought that 'her' John was born c 1826 and why she has his parents as William + Mary ???

We need her to come back and give us some more info.

Dea x

Hi All
Sorry about delay!............. Sylvia these are not my Rellies but thankyou.
I looked on www.lan.opc.org.uk, and found my info. I was going off that info, and just needed comfirmation!
Most of what you have given me is the same.
On your info Allotment, it says 1786 and not 1886 as you stated. I have his age 1793, like you gave for Baptism Quoy and his Mother being Ellen Green!
Allotment Your Census for William , has him living with James.With Marys death in 1837 it all seems to fit. Although the age for William is different, 7yrs out but we all know how their ages change all the time!

Edit.... Only just noticed Allotment, on Baptism Records James Mainwaring Baptism 1814 Margaret Mainwaring Baptism 1816. The James i have was born 1816 the one on 1841 Census ????
Also one minute William is born 1786 then 1793 Baptism records. His marriage is 1806, that would make him 20yrs/1786 and only 13yrs/1873. confused??? i am!!!

Thankyou for all your help Everyone
Sally x

Sally

you do realise that most of what has been found was also found on lan-opc?


You should have told us that was where you had got your information, then people would not have looked in the same place!



sylvia

Hi Sylvia

I did say that on my last post!

What i asked for on my 1st posting, was a lookup for William and Mary Mainwaring 1841 Census............... I had no idea that more info would be put up!!! I never asked for all this, Now i understand why so many are reluctant to ask for help!!!


Kind regards Sally

Sally

I'm sorry that you feel that way!

You did indeed ask for a lookup for William and Mary Mainwaring on the 1841 Census


I posted the only one I could find ......... and noted that it was probably NOT your relative. However, posting it was a deliberate move, so that any other helpers could see that this record had been seen and dismissed.


However, when helpers cannot find something on a census, many of us go digging to see if we can find anything at all that might help find the person. That often includes looking for bmd information.

Hence the searching on lancs-opc .................. and why I said that it would help if you had said in your opening post that lancs-opc was where you had found your information!


I'm not sure that we have confirmed your findings if we have just used the same site as you!



Just out of interest, have you found them on any later census?





sylvia

Hi Sylvia
I was quite upset by what you said, i do understand that you all work hard to help people with info. But because id only asked for Census lookup i never thought it would cause all this agro.
I did say on my post that most of the info was the same.
I didnt have the surname Lyons, so that is all new to me. I have only got as far as Williams son James and had only just started looking for info on William. I have just noticed on Baptism records, there are 3 with both parents names and 4 without. Also there are 2 Eliza's born 1812/1821. Is it possible that all these Baptisms could be 2 dfferent families???? No i haven't found any later census! Kind regards Sally

The baptisms could well be the same family having two Eliza'a is normal if one dies

I had one of my gt gt grandparents call three sons Edward with a very unusual middle name so I knew that they were from the same parents but the first two died


jax

The other thing is, my James was born 1816 not 1814. It says Margaret was born then!!! Just a thought



Sally

Most had no idea when they were born or even cared when it came to giving their age out to people for the census ect

jax

Thanks Jax

Sally

unfortunately, nothing is neat and tidy when it comes to our ancestors! And I sometimes swear they did it deliberately!


and, as jax says, it isn't helped by the fact that most people were illiterate, didn't know when they were born, and often couldn't care less. Plus, they quite often got the names in the family wrong!

It could well be one family ................. with 2 Eliza's, the first one dying, and a second born later being given the same name

The difference in baptism records with some having both parents and others having only one could just be due to the vicar changing his method of entering information, or to different vicars.


Is the occupation shown for any or all fathers? Is it the same occupation?

Is the use of both parents vs just the father all mixed together, or is it both parents, then only the father?


"gut feeling" also enters into this during the earlier periods ...... that's another reason why I like to see more than just the one record when I'm helping someone. I get a feel for the family, and something will say "that's it"!


I can't explain it more clearly than that ........... but it's what you get with your own ancestors, something just clicks.



sylvia

Hi Sylvia
I dont know what it is, but i have a gut feeling, the Baptisms what Allotment gave me is 2 families!
I know that ive only been doing this a short while,
The Birth for James 1814 mine is 1816, now i know not to trust dates but there is another child Margaret named for 1816. If there wasnt another child then i would just think its another mistake with date!

I will take my time, and go over it again see if anything clicks

Kind regard Sally

Good luck!


and don't be afraid to come back with more questions or for more help!



sylvia

Thankyou Sylvia, and everyone who has helped me!






Best wishes Sally x